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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[origamiscienceguy]

Jesus quoted these sections of the bible, so they must have been accurate. Given that he is omniscient.

[Frumple]

... Jesus was attributed as doing so. Given that he didn't actually write the texts himself, there's always a reasonable question of accuracy. Many (most?) hold that the text were divinely inspired and of sufficient accuracy because of that, but... well, it's questionable. The hand of man is flawed, as is their eyes and ears, oft times even when guided by god...

[origamiscienceguy]

Jesus is God, he is omniscient. He would know if those books were flawed and since he quoted them many times (Matthew 8:4; 19:7–8; Mark 7:10; 12:26; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:46–47; 7:19 the list goes on) we can be sure that this scripture is true.

[scrdest]

Jesus is God, he is omniscient. He would know if those books were flawed and since he quoted them many times (Matthew 8:4; 19:7–8; Mark 7:10; 12:26; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:46–47; 7:19 the list goes on) we can be sure that this scripture is true.

He is quoted to have quoted them, and is said to have been omniscient. And even presuming he was, there is the question of how omniscient he was while being a human.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

jesus didnt quote the new testament though, nor did he write it or anything. he is actually atributed rather contradictory things, but i wont go into details or santa might show up to punch me next christmas

[Bohandas]

Why correct something so trivial?

Because it's the difference between Adam and Eve being unthinking animals and Adam and Eve being unaware of the concept of morality. One might as well call the Tree of Life just the Tree - I mean, it's safe to assume anyone eating from it would already be alive, right?

Interesting you say that. Where adam and eve "unthinking animals"  before the consuption of the fruit. So they had no choice but to eat it and the god gets upset? Im sure thats wrong.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's important that it's the Tree of Knowledg of Good and Evil. They had knowledge, but not that which pertained specifically to morality.

Actually the issue still stands as they still lacked the specific relevent knowledge.

[MonkeyHead]

Jesus is God, he is omniscient. He would know if those books were flawed and since he quoted them many times (Matthew 8:4; 19:7–8; Mark 7:10; 12:26; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:46–47; 7:19 the list goes on) we can be sure that this scripture is true.

The scripture was written long after the event. You can not quote what has not been written yet. If anything, those verses are quoting Jesus. Careful - your assertions that the scriptures are true because of gods omnipotence are very close to circular reasoning, as it is in the very same scriptures that the claims of omnipotence can be found.

[origamiscienceguy]

It was written by FOUR different primary sources who witnessed the event. All within their lifetime. This is the best kept record of any event at the time. It is more proven then the battle of Troy but people still have a hard time believing it for some reason.

[Arcvasti]

It is more proven then the battle of Troy but people still have a hard time believing it for some reason.

The four primary sources could have been falsified years later or maybe just the written compilation of a bunch of things falsely attributed to a spiritual leader who lived a few generations ago.

Its not that I disagree with you, I am a Christian, but I'm saying your reasoning here is faulty.

Also, IIRC, no one's FOUND Troy yet and its widely regarded as a non-historical event made up as a story or a legend. Not sure though.

[origamiscienceguy]

There have been pieces of the gospel written down and dated to as low as 125 AD. That is only about 100 years after the event.

The oldest complete book of the gospel has been dated to around 300 AD.

40% of the entire gospel has been found on parchments dating before 200 AD.

[Angle]

This is something of a derail, but I have a question. You know how people are all like "Nothing matters!" or "The universe cares deeply about you!" or whatever: Why do people do that? Like, why do they care what the universe thinks? Isn't it enough to just care about your own opinions, or about the opinions of those around you? Why drag the universe into it?

[MonkeyHead]

It was written by FOUR different primary sources who witnessed the event. All within their lifetime. This is the best kept record of any event at the time. It is more proven then the battle of Troy but people still have a hard time believing it for some reason.

There have been pieces of the gospel written down and dated to as low as 125 AD. That is only about 100 years after the event.

The oldest complete book of the gospel has been dated to around 300 AD.

40% of the entire gospel has been found on parchments dating before 200 AD.

As pointed out to you - after the events depicted. Not first hand accounts.

[origamiscienceguy]

I think that they want a higher power in their life, but don't want to admit there is a god. Just a theory though, you should ask them.

[origamiscienceguy]

It was written by FOUR different primary sources who witnessed the event. All within their lifetime. This is the best kept record of any event at the time. It is more proven then the battle of Troy but people still have a hard time believing it for some reason.

There have been pieces of the gospel written down and dated to as low as 125 AD. That is only about 100 years after the event.

The oldest complete book of the gospel has been dated to around 300 AD.

40% of the entire gospel has been found on parchments dating before 200 AD.

As pointed out to you - after the events depicted. Not first hand accounts.

The gospel was handed down by scribes who autographed the text throughout the ages. The paper they used was very brittle, though, so the first copies most likely were destroyed. Those numbers were just what have been proven. There are a few cases of the gospel Mark being found with a 1st century date, but their ages have not been confirmed yet. These old manuscripts with little to no changes from the current version are overwhelming evidences that the original authors were Matthew Mark Luke and John.

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[TD1]

God created Adam and Eve with the ability to speak and hear. Humans have always been able to talk and listen. If you want to look at the original Hebrew text, the word "pə-rū" is a word explicitly used to mean "to bear many offspring" so it is impossible to interpret that any other way.

Given that evolution would very heavily imply humans, and indeed all beings, started without such senses, do you believe evolution is, for lack of a better word, false?

I think that they want a higher power in their life, but don't want to admit there is a god. Just a theory though, you should ask them.

One could reword this to "they want a higher power, but want it known there is no God."

Matthew Mark Luke and John

Are these their actual names?