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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Bohandas]

I never was disrespectful about anybodys religion at this time.
Unless you do believe in fairy tales written by the dehydrated.

You must have a different definition of "respectful" to me, then, because you're making jokes that are explicitly derogatory (and maybe even a little racist).
And you keep doing it literally the sentence after you insist that you're not doing it.

Please get your act together.

It would only be racist if he explicitly said that a white (or whatever) person living in the same desert would not be dehydrated

EDIT:
Or if he explicitly said that middle-eastern people would still be dehydrated even if they live spmewhere with a lot of rainfall or large bodies of fresh water.

EDIT:
Also, I feel compelled to point out that he doesn't seem to make any explicit reference to not being disrespectful in the quoted post, only to not having been dosrespectful previously.

[Orange Wizard]

Details.

[Bohandas]

If anything the "dehydrated" comment is a dig at the climate. The conditions leading to it would obviously still remain even after a shift in racial demographics or even national borders.

[That Wolf]

Yeah it was about the fact that any desert dweller that is dehydrated is prone to mental deficiency.

On another note.
Would you consider the glass of water you drink a part of you?
Too deep?

[Orange Wizard]

...

Screw it, I'm going to bed.

[Arx]

Why correct something so trivial?

Because it's the difference between Adam and Eve being unthinking animals and Adam and Eve being unaware of the concept of morality. One might as well call the Tree of Life just the Tree - I mean, it's safe to assume anyone eating from it would already be alive, right?

[That Wolf]

Why correct something so trivial?

Because it's the difference between Adam and Eve being unthinking animals and Adam and Eve being unaware of the concept of morality. One might as well call the Tree of Life just the Tree - I mean, it's safe to assume anyone eating from it would already be alive, right?

Interesting you say that. Where adam and eve "unthinking animals"  before the consuption of the fruit. So they had no choice but to eat it and the god gets upset? Im sure thats wrong.

Do you consider the animals and plants that you eat to be a part of you?

[Arx]

Why correct something so trivial?

Because it's the difference between Adam and Eve being unthinking animals and Adam and Eve being unaware of the concept of morality. One might as well call the Tree of Life just the Tree - I mean, it's safe to assume anyone eating from it would already be alive, right?

Interesting you say that. Where adam and eve "unthinking animals"  before the consuption of the fruit. So they had no choice but to eat it and the god gets upset? Im sure thats wrong.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's important that it's the Tree of Knowledg of Good and Evil. They had knowledge, but not that which pertained specifically to morality.

Do you consider the animals and plants that you eat to be a part of you?

I probably have a bit of an odd stance on whether plants and animals are a part of me. I am intensely aware of the fact that my body is actually just a highly complicated self-regulating system, and have an odd sense of 'self'. In the sense that my food and drink is a part of the self-regulating system that I am/inhabit, yes, I do. However, I don't think they have any bearing on my self/spirit.

[That Wolf]

In that light. Do you see the cells of your body as a part of you?
If not where does one draw the line that sustinance becomes you and you stop being you.
If you severed your hand. Is that hand 'you'
If its not anymore. Does eating it make it you again?

[Arx]

The short answer to those is no and no.

It depends on how one defines oneself; I separate my consciousness from my vessel, although my vessel is obviously what holds and sustains my consciousness.

The cells are no more part of me than single enzymes or proteins, which are no more part of me than individual atoms.

If I severed my hand, it would be damage to my mechanical vessel. The severed hand would be no more or less part of me than anything else, really.

If I ate the severed hand (>That is horrible and disgusting. It will no doubt set you apart and create fear in your team mates. So of course.) it would still be no more or less a part of me.

[That Wolf]

Would you go as far as to say you, me and everybody/thing are the same.
That we are just one?
The only seperation being ego.

I respect your answer by the by

[Arx]

My consciousness is self-evidently not your consciousness. Therefore, no; separation by ego is separation.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I didn't see this adressed so I'm just fomenting on an earlier bit
Wolf said that eating the fruit would cause childbirth
That is untrue because they could already reproduce. It just wouldnt have been painful, just like they were already naked but they didn't notice they were naked.

[origamiscienceguy]

Since you seem to think that the people who wrote the bible were "dehydrated" let me remind you: Mesopotamia was the most fertile place on earth in those days.

[Frumple]

I... wouldn't make as blanket nor as blunt a statement as our current drug-fried non-native speaking commentator, but it's fairly accurate to note that many (most, iirc) of the major players in the biblical text were, indeed, attributed as exhibiting fairly standard ascetic practices that are very well known to cause serious hallucination. Extended trips into the desert, onto mountains, etc., so forth, so on. Even when the general areas inhabited by people were in fairly good shape, the individuals the stories are told about left those areas and indulged in hardships that are strongly correlated with the human brain doing very odd things.

The folks that wrote the bible were likely in significantly different situations, though, so it's somewhat arguable how meaningful that truth is.