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I am religious and believe in free will

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I am religious and do not believe in free will

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I am not religious and do not believe in free will

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[Arcvasti]

Anyway in the news, this might be a thing that happens. This article is somewhat sensational, but it was the best I could find. I'm not looking forward to the shitstorm that results from whatever they decide to do, in any case.

What I'M wondering is why on earth the whole sexual abuse thing came up in HER confession. Pretty sure confession's are supposed to be about what YOU did wrong, not someone else. It'd be nice if someone official called the Catholic Church out on their victim blaming policy in these matters. Sigh.

[Frumple]

I'd... I'd rather hope a confession would also include just, like. Talking to the priest about bad stuff in general that's happened? As well as troubles involving faith, which is a thing likely to pop up when someone's abusing you and god isn't doing shit about it. It's possible some of the toxic beliefs regarding sexuality that have a nasty habit of pervading american christianity got involved, as well -- the young lady may have believed she sinned by being abused (by tempting et al the parishioner). That last bits less of a catholic thing than it is an american christianity one*, at least. Can't speak on whether it pops up in other countries.

*Not exactly universal, but it's a thread of thought you see pop up in this country with a disturbing frequency and pervasiveness.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Huh
Confessions work a bit different at my church
You walk up to the alter and pray forgiveness from god, confess sins and all and the act of going up there shows the church you're asking forgiveness from god and them for whatever it is.
People will sometimes also talk to the pastor and ask forgiveness and how and all, other times they will directly ask forgiveness infront of the church (this is usually really bad stuff) with help from the pastor.
Only once or twice have I seen someone do that before and let's just say it was not good, he didn't directly say what it was just that he felt extreme guilt and had to ask the church for forgiveness if it came to light. Though saying it infront of everyone doesn't clear it for you and god though it does get you forgiveness from your church community, or at least this one... We are very forgiving and accept just about anyone who walks through the doors, by just about I say that because I'm not sure if we have any restrictions on who can attend or not.
We also have not dress code (little tangent here) just whatever covers it all up and makes you feel comfy, the youth is usualy in casual wear as well as some of the adults and a few people show up in suits and dresses

[Orange Wizard]

In the Reformed church, we confess that we are sinners, and that we cannot keep track of everything we do wrong. It's always kept private, though. Prayers of confession are silent (as are all prayers, unless someone is leading a group in prayer). The only time someone would go to the front of the church because of sin is to apologise to the congregation, not asking forgiveness.

[mate888]

A religious thread on the internet in a site that's not religious or atheist and not sparking a flamewar?!
Is... Is this heaven?

Also, regarding Catholic confession, I remember that when I was doing the catechism the priest told me that when you confess your sins, you have to be truly repented of what you made, the priest would say that he absolves you of your sins, but only God would know if you are actually sorry for what you did. And he would forgive you only if you were. He also told me that the priest that hears the person confessing the sins can't tell anyone the sins that that man confessed. If a person came to the church, truly repented about what it did, went to confess and said "Father, I killed a person". The priest would not be allowed to tell anyone, even if the police came to ask he would not be allowed to tell them. If the man truly repented of what he did, God would forgive him, but he would still go to jail if discovered.
Also, when you confess in a Catholic church, apart from telling the sins to the priest and he telling you that you are absolved from them, he would tell you to pray X Ave Marias and/or Ours Fathers.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

In the Reformed church, we confess that we are sinners, and that we cannot keep track of everything we do wrong. It's always kept private, though. Prayers of confession are silent (as are all prayers, unless someone is leading a group in prayer). The only time someone would go to the front of the church because of sin is to apologise to the congregation, not asking forgiveness.

I suppose I didn't word right
Ya it's to apologize to the congregation (I use that and church interchangeably) but the congregation usualy gives forgiveness for it here. And ya most of it is private but new members (that's also something I forgot to say) will sometimes ask help for how to pray for forgiveness because they genuinely don't understand how it goes.

[Helgoland]

In the Reformed church, we confess that we are sinners, and that we cannot keep track of everything we do wrong.

We Catholics do that do, in the beginning of mass. Confession with a priest is a completely different matter though.

[TD1]

AFAIK, my church doesn't do confession of sins or anything like that in public, or standing up front either. There's the communion, and that's the closest anyone ever got to the front of the church. It's a private thing with God.


I would tend to agree, mainly because God is supposedly spiritual and therefore an outward confession in the physical sense makes little impact. Still, I see how it could possibly help someone think through their sin, and come to a better internal confession.

[TheDarkStar]

In the LDS faith, repentance has a few parts:
-realizing/admitting you made a wrong choice
    -often, just admitting to God that you sinned
    -privately talk to congregation leader (called a bishop) about it if it's serious or if you feel you need it - he'll give advice and support if necessary (including recommended counseling or medical aid if applicable)
-apologize
-fix the problem if possible/applicable
    -Repay damages, fix what you broke
-don't repeat the mistake

[mastahcheese]

A religious thread on the internet in a site that's not religious or atheist and not sparking a flamewar?!
Is... Is this heaven?

No.

This.

IS

BAY12

*Kicks mate88 down the pit of doom*

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

A religious thread on the internet in a site that's not religious or atheist and not sparking a flamewar?!
Is... Is this heaven?

No.

This.

IS

BAY12

*Kicks mate88 down the pit of doom*

Stop throwing people in my garbage disposal!
 

[That Wolf]

Proverbs are always platitudes until you have personally experienced the truth of them.
What I have said I have lived through.
Why follow a fairy tale when you can make a legend yourself.
Dont contemplate a book contemplate your mind, and if it speaks of nothing you are a lucky man indeed.
We all yearn for freedom yet we can never attain it. Your mere exsistance relys on you to be trapped. True freedom is no bounds.

Are you on mushrooms right now

No I just started to say things like that after my journey.
Its a bit wordy and arogant, but thats me an arogant little shit. Thats my most endearing feature

[mate888]

A religious thread on the internet in a site that's not religious or atheist and not sparking a flamewar?!
Is... Is this heaven?

No.

This.

IS

BAY12

*Kicks mate88 down the pit of doom*

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Oh, look, there's goblinite here.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I'm going to do a bit of research into the possibly wrong information I have on satan/devil.
Tell me if I'm missing something that I have said on the matter without proper biblical backing.

Satan and lucifer are the same
Satan and other angels fell from heaven
Satan is one of god's most beautiful creations
Satan hates man
Satan is a generaly evil entity

E: autocorrect is dumb

[mastahcheese]

[1]Satan and lucifer are the same
[2]Satan and other angels fell from heaven
[3]Dayan is one of god's most beautiful creations
[4]Satan hates man
[5]Satan is a generaly evil entity

[1] I think?
[2] That's what I thought.
[3] What is this? I've never heard of this.
[4] Seems that way. I kinda seem to get that it's less "hate", and more "jealous that God's paying less attention to him"
[5] Seems that way.