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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Arcvasti]

From what I remember, most data we have on people with a severed corpus callosum comes from maybe a handful of instances, far too few to extrapolate any reliable information from. I'm also going to point out that this thing sparked the whole "right/left brained" bullshit that's been passed around by the ignorant for most of my lifespan

More than a few cases, Arc, and the symptoms were consistent regardless.

The right/left brained thing is true insofar as different hemispheres are responsible for different functions. The left hemisphere is heavily in control of speech, for example, and most speech impediments come from damaged left hemispheres.

Huh, I stand corrected. I guess there is a grain/seed/large pit of truth to it after all. Part of me[Top part, probably.] shelved it in with the "You only use X% of your brain!" stuff. I guess this shows autodismissing stuff just because people I consider ignorant/uninformed always spout it at me isn't the best policy.

* Arcvasti upends a barrel of salt over his post

[That Wolf]

Does anyones religion specificly say that you shouldnt kill somebody else that is under the influence of drugs??
the Gita says that.

Do I keep slightly derailing?
I mean I try to bring new concepts in with religious/spiritual angles


Edit: I wrote it wrong.
I mean killing a person on drugs. You are sober

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

My religions states not to bring harmful things into your body and not to kill in cold blood/for no reason.
I guess you would be double sinning in that case 

[UXLZ]

Even if the Corpus Callosum is severed there is still a (small) amount of connection between the two hemispheres anyway. It's the main bridge, not the only bridge.

[Peradon]

Does anyones religion specificly say that you shouldnt kill somebody else that is under the influence of drugs??
the Gita says that.

Do I keep slightly derailing?
I mean I try to bring new concepts in with religious/spiritual angles


Edit: I wrote it wrong.
I mean killing a person on drugs. You are sober

No, but I'm pretty sure that "Do not murder" includes this....

[Frumple]

Only potentially. If the legal response to drug use was execution, "no murder" would mean more or less jack -- murder's referring to something fairly specific in that line. Probably a handful of other situations it'd bypass that particular stricture, too.

Christianity's not actually all that disinclined towards killing, though it's long tried to spin the PR to say otherwise.

[UXLZ]

Well, when the God we're supposed to be attempting to become as similar to as possible commits semi-genocide quite regularly...

[Peradon]

Only potentially. If the legal response to drug use was execution, "no murder" would mean more or less jack -- murder's referring to something fairly specific in that line. Probably a handful of other situations it'd bypass that particular stricture, too.

Christianity's not actually all that disinclined towards killing, though it's long tried to spin the PR to say otherwise.

No, but its all punishment and Old Testament. When Jesus came, he took that death penalty on himself, so that we dont have to die.

[UXLZ]

But.. Wait, what?

What sort of 'death' did Jesus save us from? (Being removed from existence?) Since I know for a fact people still die.

[That Wolf]

Yeah killing if fine in gods eyes. Its the killing of 'innocents' that is wrong. Nobody being innocent and all being sinners.
So killing in selfdefence or in war is fine.
I asked a christian family once (had been kicked out of EVERY church they went to) if i meet a demon or lucifer and somejow killed them of it was an evil act. They said it was because murder is wrong, I laughed and hid the wooden stake

[Arx]

Christianity's not actually all that disinclined towards killing, though it's long tried to spin the PR to say otherwise.

Judaism isn't that opposed to killing. From a Christian perspective, it's pretty close to unjustifiable.

[i2amroy]

Judaism isn't that opposed to killing. From a Christian perspective, it's pretty close to unjustifiable.

As has been pointed out before in this thread (or maybe it was the last one), when you go back to the original bible the definition of the word "kill" in the commandments is kinda different. The word they use differentiates between killing in war or killing when commanded by God from other types of killing like murder. It's one of the reasons why there isn't any real outcry in the bible when God commands the slaughter of vast numbers of people because they believed in a different god or something similar, because it doesn't violate the original translation of the "you shall not kill" commandment.

[Arx]

That's why I say Judaism isn't that opposed.

In Christianity, you would be one or more of: failing to turn the other cheek, failing to love your neighbour, or failing to love your enemy. All of which are instructions from Jesus, and fairly solidly unambiguous.

[Peradon]

You also have to take into concideration that the God of the Old Testament is the same God as the one of the New, so you cant just separate Judaism from Christianity like that.

But yeah, the Old Testament is packed full of killing like that. But you have to take into concideration that its God that telling them to kill these guys. He knew every little tiny detail about them, and he knew they were rotten to the core. If you look at times when Israel failed to kill who God told them to, it ALWAYS ends badly. The person they spared usualy gives birth to a mass murderer(Im thinking specifically of Mordicai). So, God knew what he was doing.

Beyond that, the killing in the Old Testament doesnt happen in the New. The reason is that Jesus fulfilled the old law, making punishment not as bad...

At least thats how I understand it.

[UXLZ]

Going back to the 'God is Perfect and Never Wrong No Matter What' argument. Bleehhh. (Not you, Peradon, just the bible in general.)