... so abra(ha)m is... apparently a rapist and willing to stand aside while his wife tries to murder the pregnant mother of his bastard child. That. That's great, I guess. I think I can see why I forgot details of that particular story.
Are we actually trying to defend this guy's character or something? Because I'm not exactly seeing arguments to the positive. Dude was a slave owner (or at least married to one, and condoning the abuse and effective murder of slaves, which is at least as bad), a rapist, and willing to throw his child's mother out into the goddamn desert, apparently to die. Whether the dude actually intended to kill another kid is kinda' irrelevant at that point. Pretty much hit full bastard before that. He already explicitly let his wife try to kill the first one.
Honestly, looking at that, it seems a lot more likely to me the guy did intend to kill isaac. Fellow pretty obviously does not give a single solitary shit about his kids.
Where does it say he was a rapist? Back then it was not uncommon for men to have multiple wives.
[16:3] So, after Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her slave-girl, and gave her to her husband Abram
as a wife.
Where dies it say Sarah tried to kill Hagar?
Slaves were not anything like what happened in America before the civil war. They were more comparable to servants. They were not bought or sold, rather, they often gave themselves or their children into servitude so they could eat. The masters were not (usually) cruel or inhumane. The slaves ate and slept better than they would by themselves.
Yes, Abraham messed up when he took Hagar, but everybody messes up. That is why we need a Savior. However, Abraham loved Issac very much and being willing to sacrifice him must have taken more faith than I can imagine.
Yea, Abraham was a real pig from the perspective of those in our society. Note, also, that God turns the girl back to her slavery, and identifies her as "slave," despite essentially returning her to cruelty. This, again, is the expectation of the time. Unless you think that the Abrahamic society was somehow the "right" society, he is an utter and complete ass, and arguably so is God.
I can't find this, could you tell me where it is in the Bible? Also, see the slavery thing above.
Do people still believe in the bibles?
Wow.
I beleive in a deity but I dont praise it.
All gods comments in the scripture sounds like satan.
"Seeing me will kill you, so hide in this rock and I will pass over you and you will feel it"
"Kill this thing for me... dont worry its an animal, it has no soul"
"Im only strong if you believe"
Just look at Israel and you will see where religious zealots take us.
Oh yeah the reason Abram got tricked by god was because he didnt count the stars, mainly because of his vision problems
bible god seems like a dick
So do you think that Jesus was the Devil as well? If so, why is the Devil doing all of this because there obviously isn't a good god in this case. If not, then WHY would Satan make the entire Old Testament pointing towards the only thing that could ruin him?
Also, I did make a mistake. Abraham had more sons than Issac and Ishmael I just didn't find it in my first responses.
"Now Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2And she bore to him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah," (Genesis 25:1-2)
This still does not change the fact that Issac was the son promised by God.