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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Descan]

As somebody who wasn't raised Christian, this conversation is bewildering.

Of course Jesus wasn't god. Was he a religious leader? Sure. Did he have a connection with god? Probably. Was he, himself, God? No, of course not.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here just humming "Can't prove the bible with the bible."

[MaximumZero]

As somebody who wasn't raised Christian, this conversation is bewildering.

Of course Jesus wasn't god. Was he a religious leader? Sure. Did he have a connection with god? Probably. Was he, himself, God? No, of course not.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here just humming "Can't prove the bible with the bible."

I got kicked out of this conversation for that.

[TD1]

It seems that's a popular tune, Descan, but it doesn't for some reason seem to be all that catchy to those who listen to other genres

[Rolan7]

You know, you could say that science is an evolution of prophecy.
A prophet says "X is true!" and people are like "Well how do you know?" and the prophet's like "Behold, I'll predict Y!"
A scientist says "X is probably true!" and people are like "Well how do you know?" and the scientist's like "Behold, if anyone follows these steps then Y happens a statistical amount of the time!  X is a possible explanation as to whY."

Skeptics just go with the more verifiable prophecies

[Bohandas]

That part of the revelation was only later associated with Jesus. There's no canon source pointing to the first horseman being Jesus. That and the revelations are supposed to be mostly symbolic, unlike earlier prophecies made by Jesus, like the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, which happened decades after his death.

You're thinking of a different Revelations passage. Different white horse.

[origamiscienceguy]

As somebody who wasn't raised Christian, this conversation is bewildering.

Of course Jesus wasn't god. Was he a religious leader? Sure. Did he have a connection with god? Probably. Was he, himself, God? No, of course not.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here just humming "Can't prove the bible with the bible."

you can't prove that the big bang happened.
You can't prove the age of the earth
You can't prove that your chair will be able to support your weight the next time you sit in it.

It's all faith based

[TempAcc]

I can prove my chair will support my weight when I sit on it, though.

Which prob means I'm God, by that logic :v

Brb, founding Tempaccism.

[origamiscienceguy]

I can prove my chair will support my weight when I sit on it, though.

Which prob means I'm God, by that logic :v

Brb, founding Tempaccism.

but there is no way to prove that the next time you sit on it, it will hold your weight. Until you sit on it of course. But, in order to sit yourself on the chair, you have to have faith that your chair will hold your weight. You probably don't even think about it because you have faith.

[Frumple]

You... don't have to have faith the chair will hold your weight to sit in it. I often don't, because I've sat in a lot of chairs that didn't. Just have to accept the risk that the chair may break.

[origamiscienceguy]

You... don't have to have faith the chair will hold your weight to sit in it. I often don't, because I've sat in a lot of chairs that didn't. Just have to accept the risk that the chair may break.

If you knew that the chair would break, would you bother sitting in it?

[TD1]

You can calculate the integrity of the chair, and you can use data saying that other such chairs support x amount of weight.

So you can say if the chair will hold your weight the next time. No faith.

[cerapa]

you can't prove that the big bang happened.
You can't prove the age of the earth
You can't prove that your chair will be able to support your weight the next time you sit in it.

It's all faith based

Solipsism is fun indeed, but it's quite useless as a world view, and even more useless when you start redefining words.

[Frumple]

If you knew that the chair would break, would you bother sitting in it?

Where did I say I knew it would break?

[origamiscienceguy]

If you knew that the chair would break, would you bother sitting in it?

Where did I say I knew it would break?

I was just making a point.

Faith is believing in something that cannot be proven. If you sit in your chair, you are believing that it will hold your weight, because you cannot prove that it will hold your weight. So you have faith in your chair. If you don't believe that your chair will hold your weight, you probably won't bother sitting in it, since you don't have faith. While you can gather evidence that the chair will hold your weight, it can't be proven.

It is the same with the Bible. While there is evidence, it cannot be proven. You have to have faith in it.

[Adragis]

Theoretically there's a point there: there is always a possibility that everything we ever knew is wrong and gravity does not exist or some such madness.

But in practice it's sort of irrelevant for gravity and chairs