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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[origamiscienceguy]

giglamesh

It spreads...

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

[Arx]

Nonono, it's just that it's Gilgamesh when referring to the Epic and Giglamesh when referring to the forumite.

[TD1]

I know that.
I'm fine with my choice, if I'm wrong well darn. But ya I'm entirly ok with my choice in faith, wrong or right. It's morals aren't bad and it's a nice community if you choose right and don't go straight to the only ones people think of because they've given us a bad name

Did Helgo hack someone's account and post societal religious views, hmmm?

[Descan]

giglamesh

It spreads...

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

I think one of the ideas that secular historians have about the flood account and the different cultures having a flood account is... Well, they're generally in the same area. So the idea is that there was a particularly bad flood of the Tigris or Euphrates, and the story of that flood got passed down through the generations, mutating as it went, and it spread out from Mesopotamia as the people spread out, mingled with other cultures.

[penguinofhonor]

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[origamiscienceguy]

Believing that the earth was the center of the universe is not a historical event.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

In many religions there is a story of a great flood.
Let's to with one that isn't in that region though to back up the claim.
The aborigines (native Australians) believe (or their religion teaches I should say) that there was a great flood, now in this story it was a flood of honey and not of water but that doesn't change there being a great flood at one point.

[Frumple]

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

... wouldn't the simple existence of other flood accounts render the biblical one necessarily false? It held that everything except the arkfolk keeled over dead. If there were other cultures with an accounting thereof, that... couldn't have happened. Because they would have been dead. If you're going to point to other cultural flood myths as evidence, you're saying the account you prefer is notably inaccurate...

@ Cryx: It's significantly more likely that there wasn't a great flood, but many different ones that were particularly notable to a specific region, possibly alongside some general water level increases and whatnot. It's not like floods are a particularly uncommon event, especially in areas that are actually significantly desirable for habitation.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

But have just about every religion have an account of one during their earlyer time in history is a bit coincidental is it not?

[origamiscienceguy]

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

... wouldn't the simple existence of other flood accounts render the biblical one necessarily false? It held that everything except the arkfolk keeled over dead. If there were other cultures with an accounting thereof, that... couldn't have happened. Because they would have been dead. If you're going to point to other cultural flood myths as evidence, you're saying the account you prefer is notably inaccurate...

@ Cryx: It's significantly more likely that there wasn't a great flood, but many different ones that were particularly notable to a specific region, possibly alongside some general water level increases and whatnot. It's not like floods are a particularly uncommon event, especially in areas that are actually significantly desirable for habitation.

As descan said earlier, as facts get passed on through the generations, details get mixed up untill the story is completely different. What most likely happened is that everyone knew about the flood, but the tower of babel event caused the different language groups to settle away from eachother, and the story got changed from there. I believe in the biblical account because it makes the most sense (giglemesh has the ark be a cube which wouldn't work at all) and because jesus spoke about the flood and never said anything was wrong with the biblical account (Luke 17:27)

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

... wouldn't the simple existence of other flood accounts render the biblical one necessarily false? It held that everything except the arkfolk keeled over dead. If there were other cultures with an accounting thereof, that... couldn't have happened. Because they would have been dead. If you're going to point to other cultural flood myths as evidence, you're saying the account you prefer is notably inaccurate...

@ Cryx: It's significantly more likely that there wasn't a great flood, but many different ones that were particularly notable to a specific region, possibly alongside some general water level increases and whatnot. It's not like floods are a particularly uncommon event, especially in areas that are actually significantly desirable for habitation.

As descan said earlier, as facts get passed on through the generations, details get mixed up untill the story is completely different. What most likely happened is that everyone knew about the flood, but the tower of babel event caused the different language groups to settle away from eachother, and the story got changed from there. I believe in the biblical account because it makes the most sense (giglemesh has the ark be a cube which wouldn't work at all) and because jesus spoke about the flood and never said anything was wrong with the biblical account (Luke 17:27)

+1

[Frumple]

As descan said earlier, as facts get passed on through the generations, details get mixed up untill the story is completely different.

... that position necessarily undermines the entire basis for your belief, though. In holding that that happened, you're opening the possibility -- and, indeed, likelihood* -- that the same thing happened to the biblical account and the details reported there have been mixed up.

*Especially considering most identified potentials for the cause of seriously major historical flooding happened millennium before genesis was penned.

[MonkeyHead]

But have just about every religion have an account of one during their earlyer time in history is a bit coincidental is it not?

Floods are not really all that uncommon. To a fairly primitive society, it could easily seem like their whole world is flooded when to us it would just seem like a large one. It is also not that far fetched to see how riding it out on a boat is a decent plan. Without doubt over time stories such as that get embellished, as humans are want to do with these things.

Let me clarify. I believe in the biblical account of the flood. Not the giglamesh account. I was just pointint out that many accounts of the same event from different cultures generally means it happened.

But... but there are so many, many problems with the biblical account that make it hard to take as anything other than a story. Flood myths are common in many cultures, but they are not really mutually supporting of anything other than the prevalence of said myths as a cross cultural phenomena.

[origamiscienceguy]

 Please read my whole post.

I believe in the biblical account because it makes the most sense (giglemesh has the ark be a cube which wouldn't work at all) and because Jesus spoke about the flood and never said anything was wrong with the biblical account (Luke 17:27)

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

And with this discussion I got to lurk this thread again before I chuck my phone out a window