Peradon:Are you saying that it is wrong to question someone after they vote for you? I didnt like the way you worded your post, so I called you out on it. It sounded like you were setting mastah up to be lynched, after you got me lynched. I found it suspect, so I said as much. What you were reading as an OMGUS, was a real concern, not just an attempt to get you off my back.
Nah, it's fine to question votes on you and your concerns about my wording aren't scummy. My problem was with the way you presented yourself as a threat, which was posturing and doesn't actually make sense. Scum don't need lynches to eliminate threats. Any mislynch is a good mislynch for them. They have the night kill.
I asked hector what he thought about the interaction between you and mastah. This was becauseI was running out of questions, and needed something new.
He answers and comes back at me with the same question. I am assuming this is what you are reading as buddying.
Not quite. It's more the tone after the questions are answered. It's all very amicable and feels fake, like I said.
I give him my answer, and he comes back and complements me on a well thought out post. This probably helped cement your convictions of us buddying.
He then ask's what I thought about the rest of the players. I flagged him as nuetral. This is the only thing that I did that might be construed as buddying. The rest hector did. When I flagged him as nuetral, I did so legitimately.
Actually, it was not the compliments that bothered me so much as the neutrality. Scum buddy town, hoping to ingratiate themselves with the town players. However, sometimes, scum will push their scumbuddies as being town, but to avoid being associated with them, they will distance from one another. Unlike what mastahcheese presents, buddying isn't just attacking someone to look like you are on separate teams. Rather, it is more often a lack of ANY strong links between players. It's tough to look for something that is decidedly not there, after all.
Mastahcheese:Wow... That's a pretty deep rabbit hole. At least my night isn't going to be boring, I guess?
...Well, clearly what's going on here is that Hector is scum, trying to buddy you so as to get you killed in the event that he dies. Scripten is probably in on it, knowing that if he kills you, and you turn up as town, then "whoops! Guess it wasn't buddying after all." and he can forget the whole case on Hector.
Or I think that they are the scumteam since they haven't done anything but work toward making each other look town and then say "Oh, I'm uh... neutral about him." Occam's razor and all that.
Occam's razor is a principle wherein the simplest answer is usually the most correct. It basically says that, when there are several competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions is more likely to yield a direction that aims toward the correct result. This is useful in mafia, as the scumteam will often try to complicate things by choosing to NK players who give little information on their flip. Occam's razor kills WIFOM a lot of the time, too.Which would mean that Hector and Scripten are scumbuddies, who are attempting a highly unusual method of buddying town members, then having the other member call it out to get them lynched.
This strategy isn't actually all that uncommon and is one of the most common uses of buddying. That being said, it's not exactly a good early game strategy, since buddying takes most of the game to actually kick in, even with newer players. (Newbies are often actually more paranoid than veterans, who are capable of forming townreads with some amount of success.)
I'm also waggling my finger at you with some severity for making associative reads before a flip. Trying to prove that a player is scum because another player is scum only work if you know the second player is scum. Otherwise, you're operating fallaciously.
Actually, it goes deeper! Scripten's arguing with me (over what's really a matter of playstyle, and isn't overly indicative of alignment in and of itself) is a clever attempt to appear to be distancing from me, which is basically reverse buddying. I noticed Hector mention it a little while back, along with other people.
Actually, the reasons I voted you were separate from my debate with you about voting as town. Again, conspiracy theories are not particularly useful in mafia.
It's genius, by acting scummy, and pinning it on the town, they can get away with developing their own incriminating evidence. They don't have to go hunting for ammo, because they're farming it themselves!
...No, I am not drunk, before anyone asks.
Slap a slam-tacular vote on that there Scripten.
Would you care to REFUTE this?
P-Edit: Nerjin's points are also good here.
AAAAAAND wow. Here we go:
If it's such an utterly failed argument, then, what's that say of the person who actually halfway agreed with the blatant bullshit?
It really seems like any lynch is good for you, mastahcheese. Do you see what I said about people who would like just about any lynch to happen above?
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