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[Shakerag]

We still need a couple more to avoid last minute vote shenanigans.

pisskop to avoid shenanigans

[Cheeetar]

You will still need to provide some reasoning for that, Scripten, as much as I endorse it.

If the vote ties up, I will change my vote over to Pisskop. I don't think he's scum (He's playing in a way that reminds me a lot of people on Mafiascum.net, which gets scumread over here hard.) but he's toed the line enough that I'd be alright with seeing him hang as opposed to a no lynch.

I haven't seen you really mention much of Pisskop at all apart from saying that his vote on Flabort wasn't alignment indicative. Is the above post your only reason to vote for him (to avoid a tie and because he's 'toed the line')?

[pisskop]

I can't believe you let the guy who didn't know Tiruin had claimed before I told him and a lurking newbie who fishes with dynamite to lynch me.  For shame.

[Cheeetar]

I might have been shamed if I had known who you were even talking about.

[pisskop]

I hope one day you look back and think about why that only fuels the shame.

[pisskop]

Nothing Personal.  Honestly.

My guess is that there is one other third party character in the game, in addition to the three scumz.

  -I still want you all to put down Jim like the rat he is.
  -Persus was my N2 choice to watch
  -The third scums may well be Tiruin.  I want to believe otherwise.

I don't think ZU is scummier, in hindsight.

[notquitethere]

Also, I disagree with you that Tiruin is a more informative choice. Knowing nothing about Tiruin means that in the event she flips scum, we also learn nothing except that she was scum. Who would her buddies be? What interactions can we look back on for leads?

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

If pisskop flips scum, we have a bunch of solid reads about a bunch of currently living players, narrowing the field a lot more than with a Tiruin dopp lynch.

pisskop is a better choice.

You know what? I think you're right about this. If Pisskop flips scum then there's only a few players it could be. If he flips town then at the least we won't have him drawing the rest of town's attention onto him while he flails around the thread.

OK. I'm reluctantly convinced. Pisskop.

Actually, I've just gone away and had a shower and I had a shower-realisation that the opposite of this is true, like I'd prior maintained: currently Tiruin could be on most possible scum teams, Pisskop on very few. If Pisskop flips town we don't learn much. Maybe that Deus is probably OK? If he flips scum we get a good way into finding a scumteam. If Tiruin flips town, about half the possible scumteams cease to be a possibility. If she flips scum, then we've still lynched scum. There's no use me worrying too much: if there's only one kill a night from now this will prove to be a long game where we can afford to make a few mistakes.

[Cheeetar]

If only so I don't have an aneurysm, I would ask that we simply see what Pisskop flips as and work from there.

[Scripten]

You will still need to provide some reasoning for that, Scripten, as much as I endorse it.

If the vote ties up, I will change my vote over to Pisskop. I don't think he's scum (He's playing in a way that reminds me a lot of people on Mafiascum.net, which gets scumread over here hard.) but he's toed the line enough that I'd be alright with seeing him hang as opposed to a no lynch.

I haven't seen you really mention much of Pisskop at all apart from saying that his vote on Flabort wasn't alignment indicative. Is the above post your only reason to vote for him (to avoid a tie and because he's 'toed the line')?

I mentioned way back in D1 that pisskop's playstyle has been bothering me, but due to the push mastahcheese made on him, I've been reluctant to vote him. (It doesn't feel like he would be on a scumteam with someone pushing a bus like that.) I'd also much rather have Tiruin lynched, then ZU, but I'd even more like to avoid having us no-lynch today.

[notquitethere]

I agree it'll help players be more focused.

But... unvote. I can't in good conscience help towards the lynch of someone that I think is town and by my NQT mafia analytics, Pisskop is the most town player: he has the most posts AND he's targeted the most players in the game. If my analysis tells me anything, it tells me that despite his horrendous play, he's not scum.

[notquitethere]

Conversely, although she's a darling, Tiruin has the lowest number of targets in the whole game (1), so she is, by the most reliable metric I've yet to devise, the scummiest.

[Cheeetar]

That's a handy unvote. It affects nothing but our perceptions of you. I wonder who else would be worried about how other people perceived them in a mafia game...

[notquitethere]

That's a handy unvote. It affects nothing but our perceptions of you. I wonder who else would be worried about how other people perceived them in a mafia game...

Yeah I predicted you'd say something like that. All that it does is make me look suspicious whichever way Pisskop flips, but in past games I've ignored my own theory and regretted it.

[Jim Groovester]

Uggggggggggggggggh.

Actually, I've just gone away and had a shower and I had a shower-realisation that the opposite of this is true, like I'd prior maintained: currently Tiruin could be on most possible scum teams, Pisskop on very few. If Pisskop flips town we don't learn much. Maybe that Deus is probably OK? If he flips scum we get a good way into finding a scumteam. If Tiruin flips town, about half the possible scumteams cease to be a possibility. If she flips scum, then we've still lynched scum. There's no use me worrying too much: if there's only one kill a night from now this will prove to be a long game where we can afford to make a few mistakes.

Alright, let's make this quick.

I still don't see how Tiruin would be a better lynch. If pisskop is town or if Tiruin is town, we don't learn a lot, but that's pretty par for the course for a mislynch. If either of them are scum, we learn a bit more, but more in the case of pisskop.

Please explain to me how Tiruin is a better choice. How do half the scumteams cease to be possible if she flips town?

[Scripten]

Before the day ends:

Some of my reads depend on whether people were defending Tiruin or not. If I've been wrong, then several players look a lot townier.