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[pisskop]

Oh wait, Pisskop isn't voting either?  Dude, you've been voting all day; where'd your suspicions go?

Yes, I've had suspicions all day, and have been using my votes all game.


Reply #920 - unvote
Reply #768 - Shaker
Reply #740 - unvote
Reply #717 - Cheeetar
Reply #674 - Unvote
Reply #565 - Persus13
Reply #465 - Tiruin
Reply #449 - TheDarkStar
Reply #315 - Deathsword
Reply #276 - unvote UXLZ
Reply #245 - UXLZ

Cheeetar's just throwing together words now, it would seem.

[Toaster]

But you're still not voting now.  Why?

[pisskop]

I want to believe Tiruin at this point.  That'll put me at ease with 2 players.

Namely you and her.

[Toaster]

Even if you do, you've got to suspect someone else enough to vote them.

Or vote her and make sure she hangs.  Don't be a coward.

[Cheeetar]

Toaster, if you find him so scummy, consider voting for him rather than urging him to lynch somebody you're not even voting for.

Are you going to be around until the lynch, Persus?

Additional question: You truly believe Pisskop's scumtells are just him being annoying, and not him being scummy? The OMGUSing, complete indecision in voting, uselessness last night, hesitant nullreads on people, dodging questions... just him being annoying, not scum?

I'll be back around 6:30 to 7 PM EST, I have a class that I'm leaving for after I finish this post and then I've got dinner, so I should be around for an hour before day end.

The majority of pisskop's behavior I see as more than anything else, although OMGUS vote on you and his claiming Jim has terrible reads are things I find scummy. Dodging questions is something I hadn't really noticed, although now that you mention it, he has been doing that. Still, I just see that as bad play than scummy. Uselessness last night is something that is also more annoying than anything else. Hesitant null reads is another thing I haven't seen. Voting indecision if it has the right reasons attached is something that actually I can see as a town tell, but I don't actually know if pisskop has those because when I have been looking through the thread I've mainly been focusing on other people. Pisskop has the most posts of this game at like 130 or so, not counting 4maskwolf's, and I don't really want to look through all those when I could look through other people with shorter posts and aren't being focused on for the majority of two days.

"Yes, those things certainly are scummy, but I choose to see them as not scummy because Pisskop is my scum partner. Sorry!"
alternatively: "Yes, those things certainly are scummy, but I choose to see them as not scummy because there's no way a bad scum would make mistakes, only bad town do that. Sorry!"

[Cheeetar]

Hesitant null reads is another thing I haven't seen.

Why do you want absolutes?  Youre driving at something.  I suggest you stop fishing.
  You have my nullscum read on her

This after a back and forth that went for ~6 posts, after he'd initially just dodged the question.

[Shakerag]

I feel bad about ragging on someone admitting net problems, but at the same time Tiruin's spent a large amount of time and space going on about said problems instead of posting game-relevant info.

And, this is something that I like bringing up even less*, but Tiruin's post history shows her being active in a number of other forum games and general threads all during the time she's complaining about not being able to post game-relevant info here. 


* This feels a bit too much like using game-external info to make game-related calls, and it feels like a very deep grey area to me.  However I have seen this sort of info brought up in other games before, if not often.

[pisskop]

Even if you do, you've got to suspect someone else enough to vote them.

Or vote her and make sure she hangs.  Don't be a coward.

  Your suggestion to the non-majority lynch game is to 'vote her and make sure she hangs' when she hasn't been on since yesterday and I don't plan on not being on.

  You have my intent.  And if this is what pushes my wagon than I'd suggest you all examine that wagon.

[UXLZ]

Unvote.

Pisskop.

There's the line in the sand Pisskop, vote for the person you suspect most or hang. Actually, just hang. You don't get to be all shy and coy and obtuse three hours from the deadline. This puts Tiruin to three and you to four. Will you try to lynch her to save yourself?

[Deus Asmoth]

Unvote.

Pisskop.

There's the line in the sand Pisskop, vote for the person you suspect most or hang. Actually, just hang. You don't get to be all shy and coy and obtuse three hours from the deadline. This puts Tiruin to three and you to four. Will you try to lynch her to save yourself?

I do not like this. I can understand that you want him to vote, but why put him in the position where he can either tie the vote with three hours left in the day (a scummy move) or continue not voting and die?

[Cheeetar]

Did you also view as scummy yesterday when I tied the votes with an hour left in the day, DA?

[Scripten]

No, it really isn't.  Two votes does not a wagon make, no matter how many times you try to make it do so.

*Sigh* I said it's semantics. You call it two votes; I call it a wagon. Is it REALLY that important that you have to dog me incessantly about it.

Are you trying to call me scum for voting a townie?  Hell, you voted ToonyMan at one point; maybe you should vote yourself.

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............

That's not what I was saying, Toaster. Read it again, please.

Because you tried to accuse me of doing the same thing I accuse you of.  I provided you a crystal clear counterexample.

I... see? Eh, fine. Fair enough.


If the vote ties up, I will change my vote over to Pisskop. I don't think he's scum (He's playing in a way that reminds me a lot of people on Mafiascum.net, which gets scumread over here hard.) but he's toed the line enough that I'd be alright with seeing him hang as opposed to a no lynch.

[zombie urist]

Ooooohhhh things are getting exciting.

unvote

Between Pisskop and Tiruin, I like the Tiruin lynch slightly better. Although pisskop's performance has been terrible, he's probably town. If Tiruin has been in other threads, I really don't think she's invested in this game and even if she is town it won't be a terrible loss.

I still would prefer Scripten to be lynched over either of them. Scripten has been defensive the entire game and his votes have basically no reasons attatched to them. I've read the games he linked to as meta evidence, but I don't really see it. In Operation Overlord, he was outsider (kinda town ally) and behaved imo quite differently. In the other game where he was town (BM 51), he had some really aggressive conversations with Deus Asmoth who he was voting at the time. In this game almost all his targets are active lurkers.

Cheetar: I have no idea why you're so insistent on lynching Pisskop. The only reasoning I remember is that if Pisskop is scum, then Deus Asmoth probably is also, which IMO isn't really worth it, especially if he is in fact a reporter.

[UXLZ]

Probably won't be able to post again until the deadline, gotta go.

[Cheeetar]

Seeya UXLZ! Thank you for voting the scummiest person.

Cheetar: I have no idea why you're so insistent on lynching Pisskop. The only reasoning I remember is that if Pisskop is scum, then Deus Asmoth probably is also, which IMO isn't really worth it, especially if he is in fact a reporter.

The OMGUSing, complete indecision in voting, uselessness last night, hesitant nullreads on people, dodging questions...

Granted, this compilation of my reasons wasn't in a post about explaining my reasoning, but I've called out these things all day.