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[pisskop]

UXLZ, You are making borderline implications.  Youre fishing.

I am concerned that your first comments of the day were to ask about what was already discussed in context directly before you posted.  The outing of the guardian being one example.


@Persus

I mean that with 16 players D1, any vote Flabort could cast has less democratic power than any vote we cast today, with12 people alive.

[UXLZ]

UXLZ, You are making borderline implications.  Youre fishing.

Wait, borderline? I thought the implications of what I thought were quite obvious. My mistake.

Fishing for what exactly, your suspect list? I already know your (claimed) role. What else could I be looking for?

Don't dodge questions and chainsaw defend like that. You're basically claiming that you know who the entire scum team are and yet aren't telling us who they are, 'nor why you think they are. That statement as it stands of 'if Tiruin is scum I have the other 2 clinched' is totally, utterly empty, as well as the 'if she isn't I've got 3 others in mind' that follows immediately afterward.
I want you to tell us now so you can't just say it's whoever is looking scummiest at the time. 

So, once more, who are these people?

As it sits, if Tiruin is scum, I figure Ive got the other 2 clinched.  If she isnt I have three people in mind too.

[Cheeetar]

Pisskop: Let's assume, for some reason, you die before you're able to tell us who the scum team are. What will town do without your brilliant deductions? Please tell us who you think the scum team are.

Spoiler: Persus13 (click to show/hide)

Cheeetar: Your link in the beggining #677 is broken.

Yep. My bad. Should still work if you remove the bits before the 'www'.

My theory of Pisskop being protected from ToonyMan at the time was that Pisskop was the one performing the scum kill. I'm sorry this wasn't evident.

Except MC was mentioned as the person performing the scumkill and otherwise had no reason to visit Toony. Unless you've already rejected this theory.

Yeah, I noticed the specifics of the flavour a bit later. Specifically:

The flavour for mastahcheese dying does not match the flavour for an observant guard who is guarding somebody- they weren't found somewhere outside their room/house, and were instead found in Toony's house. This means it's unlikely MC was doing anything other than performing the nightkill [...]

Still feeling the urge to lynch Pisskop to find out Deus Asmoth's alignment. Will attempt to ignore it. DA: Did you read the post after the one you replied to at all? Perhaps it will illuminate my current attitude and approach.

Don't waste the lynch that way, hopefully the night will give us some answers.

I don't think it would be a waste, just suboptimal.

[UXLZ]

Wait, why do you think lynching Pisskop will reveal Deus' alignment, Cheeetar?

If Pisskop is town, Deus is:     
If Pisskop is 3rdparty, Deus is:
If Pisskop is scum, Deus is:     

If you've explained why in a previous post, sorry that I missed it, just link me to it.

[Cheeetar]

If Pisskop is town, he is not a liar. Therefore, he was protected. Deus claimed to protect him, and nobody counterclaimed him. Scum would not protect town. Deus is town.
If Pisskop is scum, well, Deus is pretty damn certainly scum due to their colluding (this is not 100%- more like 99%.)
If Pisskop is third party,
I don't see a reason for a third party Pisskop to act as he has.

[UXLZ]

And you don't think it's possible that one is scum and the other isn't?

[Cheeetar]

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing it, yeah. Why?

[UXLZ]

Wanting to make sure you've at least considered all the possibilities.

Do you think it's possible that Pisskop isn't a reporter, at this point?

[zombie urist]

Quick post. There's no reason for the scumteam to kill the guardian, so the only downside is that scum can eliminate someone they don't need to kill.

Please explain you thinking.

The guardian isn't really a role that scum would prioritize killing because it doesn't really provide useful info to the town. For example cops tell if a person is town or scum which greatly useful in eliminating suspects. Other info roles like reporter are less powerful, but they can still provide important information and can help verify claims, ie proving that someone visited someone else. Now that we know who the guardian is and that he already used up his 1-shot kill immune protect, there's really no point in killing him. The guardian should PM someone he trusts to be town his protectee tonight so if he does end up dead tomorrow, we'll have a decent idea who was targetted, but scum doesn't really benefit from killing the guardian over another player.

UXLZ hasn't yet made a solid attack on anyone so far and I doubt he has any real suspects. So:

While you were sifting through for low-content posts to base your suspicion for me off of, you may have just so happened to miss the two large 'attacks' I made on people... TDS, and the person you replaced in for, DeathSword.
Also, you do realise that most of those 'junk' posts you quoted were actually fairly relevant, right? Given how many I actually have total, surely you can find something better than that. I know from memory there were one or two where I was just teasing Tiruin.

They were relevant but not very useful or informative. I didn't get the thought that you were actively seeking out scum.

At the moment, primarily, you. Tiruin as well, but mostly you, due to Deathsword's previous actions in your slot, and logic like this. There's really no reason for the scum to target the psychic warden because

That's great but you need better reasons than that.

So you're saying that knowing the exact identity of the Guardian (probably the best protective role in the game) isn't really all that different than just knowing that one exists?
Unless I'm miscounting there should be 12 players left in this game. Discounting three for the scum team, that's a one out of nine chance of hitting the Guardian with their nightkill. If the Guardian claims? One out of one.
Do you think the difference between 11% and 100% is 'not very useful'?
Of course, the Guardian already seems to have claimed so it's too late now, but I want to try and understand your logic. To do that, I'll try applying it to something else.

Because this is the only situation where pisskop wouldn't be lying scum. Also if pisskop were town, then scum would already know that a psychic warden must exist and having the psychic warden claim then wouldn't be very useful to the scum anyways.

Still not seeing it, honestly...

I don't really understand what you're trying to do by with the psychic warden. Guardian isn't that useful of a target because he can only protect once more.

At the moment my biggest suspect is ZU. I don't want to vote for them yet because they just replaced in, however, and I realise that most (though not all) of that suspicion is leaking over from Deathsword's actions.

This is the stupidest reason not to vote for someone. I bet you just don't want to be on the wagon because you know I'm town.

Okay, yep, TDStar, you have a few things to answer for.
I've written all my reasoning out, but seeing as TDS is online, I'm going to wait to see if he responds and how he responds before posting it. If I forget, please do remind me.
Why the active lurking?
Why the bandwagon on Flabort?
Why the lack of responses to the people calling out your bandwagoning on Flabort?

Right. So it looks like you forgot to posts the reasons for suspecting TDS. It would be nice if you could do so right now.

[Cheeetar]

Wanting to make sure you've at least considered all the possibilities.

Do you think it's possible that Pisskop isn't a reporter, at this point?

Yep! If that's the case, I think it's most probable that he lied about visiting ToonyMan's, and wasn't there at all, with Deus covering for him. This would be to excuse his lack of new information for Night 1.

[Cheeetar]

Quick post. There's no reason for the scumteam to kill the guardian, so the only downside is that scum can eliminate someone they don't need to kill.

Please explain you thinking.

The guardian isn't really a role that scum would prioritize killing because it doesn't really provide useful info to the town. For example cops tell if a person is town or scum which greatly useful in eliminating suspects. Other info roles like reporter are less powerful, but they can still provide important information and can help verify claims, ie proving that someone visited someone else. Now that we know who the guardian is and that he already used up his 1-shot kill immune protect, there's really no point in killing him. The guardian should PM someone he trusts to be town his protectee tonight so if he does end up dead tomorrow, we'll have a decent idea who was targetted, but scum doesn't really benefit from killing the guardian over another player.

That's not how the Guardian works, Zombie Urist. Where the hell did you get your '1-shot kill immune' from? Why do you keep insisting that the guardian is useless?

• Bodyguard
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Protect
     Flavor: When killed while performing a Protection the Bodyguard's remains will be found somewhere outside of their room/house.
      Rules: The Bodyguard is randomly given one of four abilities at the start of the game. The bodyguard uses these abilities to protect another player during the night.
         
  • Guardian: This powerful bodyguard will prevent one kill attempt on the target that night. The Guardian is not killed by doing so.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  

[UXLZ]

The guardian isn't really a role that scum would prioritize killing because it doesn't really provide useful info to the town. For example cops tell if a person is town or scum which greatly useful in eliminating suspects. Other info roles like reporter are less powerful, but they can still provide important information and can help verify claims, ie proving that someone visited someone else. Now that we know who the guardian is and that he already used up his 1-shot kill immune protect, there's really no point in killing him. The guardian should PM someone he trusts to be town his protectee tonight so if he does end up dead tomorrow, we'll have a decent idea who was targetted, but scum doesn't really benefit from killing the guardian over another player.

Oh, this explains a lot. You haven't actually read the roles list, have you? The Guardian's kill immune protect isn't one-time-use.

Right. So it looks like you forgot to posts the reasons for suspecting TDS. It would be nice if you could do so right now.

Except I already have. Please at least put a small, tinsy tiny amount of effort into looking through my posts for things to make me look suspicious, ZU. If you didn't find that then you don't seem to have been looking all that hard.  Missing something like that isn't going to help your case much, you know?

This is the stupidest reason not to vote for someone. I bet you just don't want to be on the wagon because you know I'm town.

Actually, the stupidest reason is 'because they told me not to.'
And no, the reason I'm not voting for you at the moment isn't because I 'know you're town' (nice empty and pointless claim, by the way), it's because I prefer to only vote for someone once I'm convinced enough to let it sit unless something major happens to disrupt it.

I don't really understand what you're trying to do by with the psychic warden. Guardian isn't that useful of a target because he can only protect once more.

What do you mean he can 'only protect once more'?
He can protect until he is killed by a targeted NK.

PPE: Blehh, I had this all written up and Cheetar ninja'd me. Twice. >_>

[Cheeetar]

Hey Pisskop, I can't quite remember- did you say who you were going to watch at all before Night 1? Why follow Toony, and not Flabort or somebody else?

[pisskop]

You know I didnt publicly Cheeetar, but I did via PM to 2 people.

He hasn't been posting.  I figure if Tiruin is scum she will know that I am reporter and not perform the NK.


My other choices would be [mastacheese] [Jim], [zombie urist], [watching who visted you], [watching who went to Flabort], [watching my visitors].

[masta] would be my alternative choice.
[Jim] seemed honest enough, and will likely continue to provide content.
[zu] is fresh in, and kind of a waste of a look considering the hype around him.
[you] is going to have to be justified in public.  What do I tell them, your claimed role?
[Flabort] isn't likely to catch a NK, we can prove who he shot at.
[I don't think I am likely to catch the NK.  I also assume you BGed me, so we would know if somebody did try.  I think NQT is fairly likely to catch one.  Or perhaps Cheetar (if he is town).  I suspect one of the quieter vets of the game will catch the  NK.  That's who I would kill, unless I wanted to frame somebody.

  Btw, I suspect <nope>

[Cheeetar]

Can either of the people who received this PM also confirm this? Why are you redacting who you suspected?