http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147607.msg5987535#msg5987535Hell no. I BCC'd him because I KNEW he'd post it in the thread. Which he did. Because I knew he was opposed to telling the vig who to kill.
He is not the person I talked with.
Still waiting for that info. You've been so forward with the rest of your PMs, why are you obstructing the flow of information now?
So I object to your use of the term handler to describe this person, who I may or may not reveal later in this post. Because all they did was say "I support you" and "Don't kill pisskop, just in case he's town".
Noted. So who was it? If they are giving you such good advice why are you refusing to share it?
Just because pisskop sold you on the idea that I was being coerced into killing who someone else wanted me to, doesn't mean I was. The only person Dictating was pisskop. Also, he has some sort of thing for you, since he asked about you twice in the first list and again in the second.
1) For all future claims you make about my behavior, I'm going to ask you back them up. I will not continue to answer every little grievance you post about me.
2) Its seems apparent you asked somebody for guidance. Which is fine. There are 3 people asking you
who.
I'm overdue for voting him, TheDarkStar
Buh? You, of all people? Weren't you AGAINST that lynch earlier?
I noted my surprise at its rapid growth. And then began looking for better lynches. Did I not spell that out before? I apologize.
Firstly, you've just jumped from a null read to a full on scum read of Jim. Why?
You didn't read my post on that?
But also interesting is your read of Shakerag. Is that a town read? A neutral read? It's very unclear, but positive towards him.
Yea. I have nothing damning nor redeeming about him.
neato. I can approve. But I don't get shaker, personally.
And here, in the PMs. You say you don't understand why I want to kill shakerag. I've been scum reading him this whole time, and you can't understand that? OK. So, you imply that you'd rather he be alive. OK. Why do you not want to give a clear read on shakerag, and why do you not want me to kill him?
I already answered this too, albeit after this post, iirc.
When I said you wanted to balance straight scumminess with information provided, I wasn't joking and poking. What would(/did) his death tell town, other than his visible role/alignment?
Nothing. And that's why I don't agree with the Shaker vig.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 18:01:27
-He was hoping to snowball Cheetar's vote (scum)
WTF does this mean?
It means that if your motivation for voting me was to create 'flow', 'wagon', 'effect', a 'decisive turn' or the illusion of such than that is a scummy motivation.
Why would UXLZ talk to you in private? Nobody trusts you, pisskop. Wake up and smell the coffee. I brew it fresh every 20 minutes. If you can't see that you're suspicious, then it's because you're not paying attention. I bet you didn't even PM TolyK.
And again, no, Jim is not the one 'advising' me. Which actually is the most accurately you've put it so far.
TolyK Have you received any PMs from pisskop after your prompt? Sorry about revealing it.
Yes I know TolyK is not playing, I'm not the only one to address him.
Why not actually get your games straight before trying to hurt my feelings. Kthnx.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 18:04:18
Flabort
Its not a hitlist. Let's stop calling it that. I made you suggestions, based upon how I felt at the time.
You say based on how you felt at that time; they were who you wanted dead at that time. It was a list of people you wanted dead. That's a hitlist, by definition. It wasn't made a mandatory thing, no, but it's still a hitlist.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 18:04:18
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I responded, and His rrply indicated that he does NOT want me killing one of my two targets I chose. Pisskop, why are you buddying shakerag?
You are going to have to show me where I buddied Shaker. This is exactly why I think he is town. It's almost too nonlogical to be a calculating scum
Check the PM above. If you're not paying attention and can't see it, here:
Not even a little bit of importance here.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 09:55:20
neato. I can approve. But I don't get shaker, personally.
Why don't you 'get' that I find shakerag suspicious? Why is this "personal" to you?
Personal as in, 'I can't understand why you would make such a misguided choice', not 'This affects me personally'.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 18:04:18
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PFP so can't quote now, but Tiruin should have recieved the conversation, so she can, maybe. If not, then Jim.
I've already asked Tiruin about her PMs she received, and she has not responded. She claims to have never received PMs, and yet Flabort trusts her enough to send her a copy of his select portions of our conversation. She is very clearly lying, and as I see it now She and Jim make a decent scum-pair.
I sent it to multiple people. I was just mistaken this morning, and THOUGHT that I had sent it to one more person than I did. Sorry, Tiruin, I meant to BCC you.
Jim, NQT, and UXLZ were the recepients of the PM.
Aye.
Quote from: pisskop on 26 January 2015, 18:04:18
Flabort, who were you talking to in the PM you referenced in our Private Chat?
TolyK. Not really, but search the thread, you'll find "him", you'll figure out who I mean.
TolyK isn't in this game. Pkease check your games.
Quote from: Deus Asmoth on 26 January 2015, 18:17:48
PPE: pisskop, who exactly is it that you think is manipulating flabort? Tiruin or Jim? Why is it so much worse than your own suggestions about who he should kill?
I especially agree with this cyan part. Why do you think you're in the right when "TolyK" is in the wrong?
What makes what you're doing any less scummy than this:
TolyK isn't in this game. Pkease check your games.
My conversation with you was intended to spread information and reads amoungst
presumed town members. Why do you continue this one-sided track? Are you not capable of stepping back to view potential motivations of the players?
One of the first things I learned about Mafia was the necessity to try to imagine the mindsets of the posters, not to shove the posters into my mindset.
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