FlabortNQT are you doing a compilation spreadsheet of reads again? Can you see anything interesting?
I haven't done the reads thing yet, but I've been looking at the votes.
Jim has been really sluggish with his voting, voting for the first time 50 minutes ago. Tiruin has yet to make a case or form a suspicion. I'd be looking to lynch/vigkill/investigate/etc. these two.
You and Wolf have drawn the most votes in the game, but some of those votes (judging by your reactions) could be distancing. The Pisswolf combo has the most posts in the game (followed shortly by UXLZ), which speaks well of them. That said, the only game I'd seen that's bucked the no-scum-post-most rule was a Paranormal game. Scripten is conventionally the least suspicious having managed to press the most cases. I'll have better stuff to go tomorrow.
I'm against lynching Deathsword right now, simply for the reason that your push on lynching him is based off of his replacement request.
Pisskop, again.
I think you're wilfully misinterpreting Pisskop here. I've just taken a look at some of Deathsword's other games and he very frequently replaces out (including replacing out as scum in both CYOM games). It wasn't hard to find out. Every game isn't entirely different, otherwise we wouldn't be able to talk about meta and scumtells and the like. There are patterns. We don't have to lynch Deathsword, but lynching Pisskop in a fit of pique after misinterpreting a PM is hardly the best way to proceed.
CheeeeeetarSituations in which I want him left alive: He's a war vet and claimed vigilante so scum target him.
Situations in which I don't want him left alive: He's a non-dopp vigilante who will at best die tonight anyway.
Both your situations he's town and will draw a scumkill. Uh, you realise it's a
good thing for town to know who scum are most likely to target at night, right? What part of
let's lynch a player who's most likely going to draw the scum kill makes any sense whatsoever???
So actually... unvote Flabort, vote Pisskop. He's canvassing for me to lynch somebody who is up for replacement due to an inability to post. He is doing this privately rather than publicly- the mere desire to lynch somebody purely because of inactivity is scummy, but so is the private 'hey guy lets go lynch this guy okay?'
Hold on a second. I don't read that as Pisskop asking you to lynch Deathsword. He wants your opinion about the matter. What unreasonable about that?
PisskopSince I'm here.
Yes, the vig is better as the game gets older. He has more power to end a life, but also sacrifices his usefulness and lets the game progress as it would have. If he dies without using his power he'll be a sad panda.
However. He has a limited number of shots, usually, and can act as an investigator of sorts (in that the target dies and flips their role).
Have even you read the OP? Vigilantes get unlimited kills.
UXLZIf we assume 4 scum and 3 third-party roles, a town vig (in a 16 player game) would have a 7/15 chance (purely statistical and assuming no D1 Lynch) chance of hitting the right target. I think their usefulness increases as the game goes on, and (this is purely hypothetical) if I was a town vig I'd probably wait a night or two to actually kill someone unless I was particularly suspicious, so as to avoid shooting the sheriff. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the role, though.
Their usefulness increases if we begin to get secondary lynch candidates. If you're unsure about the role, reread the OP. It's important to know what all the roles can do in this game.
TolyTolyK, do you know who's playing this game?
Hey you: yeah you reading this. You're paying attention, that's pro-town. Send me a PM.
Hiding things in a wall of text might be a valid strategy, I'm not sure. Obviously, TolyK isn't actually playing, this is just a ploy of mine.
DeusNQT: we gain more information from lynching someone other than flabort only if there are no other roles with a night kill in the game. If there are and flabort is just gambling that there are, they'd either have to not shoot anyone tonight in order to prevent him from claiming responsibility or out themselves on day two, which would benefit the scum a lot more that it would us.
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here. You do know that killers have unique kill descriptions in Paranormal, right? A Dopp kill looks different to a Vig kill.
FlabortDeathsword/Flabort, why are you voting Pisskop? Wolf's gambit might not have been as well executed as he'd like, but it does strike me as something a town-Wolf would have done. What did you hope to achieve in claiming vigilante.
I had hoped to gain some standing with the town, after I lost it all by being "underhanded", although I didn't try to be underhanded and didn't think I was being underhanded.
As far as why I'm voting him, see above.
Conventional mafia wisdom says that this was a bloody stupid thing for you to have attempted, but you might survive today so maybe it was worthwhile. What do you think of the difference between Pisskop and Wolf's play?[/b]
TiruinFirst a disclaimer: I think you're wonderful. A real cool kid. I'm not trying to be mean. We clear? OK, let's go:
Hmm, perhaps my tracing record has been lacking to you, hmm?
The # of posts is more due to RL things at the moment--I don't have the same level of activity before due to working on many other things (though well-organized) at the moment.
You seem to have misunderstood me here
completely. I was implying that 16 was plenty of posts. Over twice my own number of posts. More than sufficient. My criticism was this: although you posted plenty, you hadn't done any serious scum hunting and you hadn't managed to vote anyone. This is scummy in my eyes. This is why I am voting you.
However, 'who is scummy' seems to poke me again on your attitude of wording things, NQT >_> Like many other times before. Though I guess its also sometimes my mindset. Because you do this when town or scum I:<
...You could just say 'who seems scummy to you'
These things are synonymous. To be scummy is to seem scummy.
Cheetar -- leaning town, due to suggestion of a valid idea by which I cannot detect any fallibility in regards to it (unless we're playing Hivemind scenario...did this ever happen in a game with Dopps?)
notquitethere -- :I Hard to read. Is NQT. Same standing with generally everyone else I didn't rank as 'leaning town' with paraphrasing.
pisskop -- Uncertain. His demeanor is...very much pushing towards neutrality, as inferred by how he started the game as a replacement, and with the orientation of 'I saw what 4mask did', as well as having analyzed it given his initial attitude. I'm however leaning on giving him the benefit of the doubt, being a newbie. Relating my experiences with behavioral studies, it could also pertain to an innocent trying to 'fix up' what's wrong with how he saw the previous events, due to that past case of analyzing his predecessor. Further study is required.
Jim Groovester -- ...Same as pisskop, but I need a re-read to refresh my radar.
TheDarkStar -- ^
Persus13 -- ^, however leaning town due to certain anomalies within his attitude pertaining to verbal and linguistic acuity. This matches with Toaster. His notation regarding flabort--which I consider is of significant mention pushes for further ideas on what is happening, instead of judging as is. Further study is required.
Shakerag -- ...um. I'm unsure. He seems to be buddying with people, though not in the Mafia context of 'buddying', by that letter to Toaster?
mastahcheese -- Leaning town. This is due to his attitude and manner of regarding others, as well as his posting habits (despite being busy IRL)
ToonyMan -- same as above
Deus Asmoth -- ^
flabort -- Uncertain. His attitude is..awry, and very much contradictory at times. In reference to the earlier D1 event, its a strange case if he was scum with the intent of getting townpoints because of how his demeanor reacted to 4mask, but knowing the inbetween (ie RL idea as said before the game started in different threads...which could do with a bit of dealing with before playing...), my reads are pretty much modified after knowing that context.
UXLZ -- Uncertain as the above, though partly leaning town due to how active he is--and not with why he's being active, but more on how he is...working with details at present. My parser of English requires further calibration, as does my radar here.
Scripten -- On course of uncertain location. Requires calibration.
Tiruin -- Hi! I'm town!
Deathsword -- Uncertain reading. Requires calibration.
Toaster -- Fuzzy read. Requires calibration.
So you didn't manage to find anyone that looked scummy. 7 town leaning players and the rest 'uncertain'. Interesting. You know who finds it difficult to suspect town players (AND/OR doesn't actually read the thread)? The mafia. That's who Tiruin. THE MAFIA. Why are you playing like the mafia Tiruin? WHY?
Also if the argument of 'why aren't you voting' comes up again--its the weekend and the extension happened. Just trying to put most things into organization here. <_<
I want your vote on my desk by the end of Monday.
JimDo you suspect Tiruin or are you pressuring her like your vote on ToonyMan?
You've moved your vote around a lot (or at the very least, enough for me to notice). Any clear suspects?
I was just pressuring Toony (though, like all such votes if he'd behaved too weirdly in light of the vote I'd have kept it and pressed harder), but Tiruin is genuinely scummy. Her follow-up post showed a classic scum sign with her complete inability to form suspicions. Also, I've made a grand total of... TWO votes. Toony and Tiruin. Having two votes isn't really 'a lot' now, is it?