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[Tiruin]

But heeey, maybe I'm overreacting.
Let's bring in solid proof, shall we? Screenpics! So people can see what actually happens instead of inferring from UXLZ's bloody 'empathy' on my internets!~

Spoiler: See if you can see problems with these (click to show/hide)

Screen flickers. Tabs don't load. Changed my browser a bit, yet the same problems occur. I am technically connected to the internet yet everything fails in random intervals. None of the PMs are related to Mafia up there.
And yes I've counter checked to at least see if anything actually loads--the same problem has the same root after much time of counter checking--the internet.

Is it that my many tabs make this occur? No. Same testing has given the same results even at 3 tabs open. The only edit I did was in the PMs to make the people there confidential (and of no connection to Mafia) anyway.

And that's just 8 minutes of it.

[Jim Groovester]

And that's what exam fatigue does. Making me blow up despite Jim being reasonable on it. Because of that 'a bit' which I missed in reading it.

Actually, it was a mean-spirited joke.

[Tiruin]

And that's what exam fatigue does. Making me blow up despite Jim being reasonable on it. Because of that 'a bit' which I missed in reading it.

Actually, it was a mean-spirited joke.

I know.

[UXLZ]

Huh, I know your net is bad. I just think you're unreasonably using it as justification (or at least, were. It's better now.)

By the way, I actually can't see any issue with those screenshots. Maybe a few images have trouble loading? It seems about consistent with the experiences I've had personally. The main issue appears to be something the screenshots aren't showing... Are you getting DNS errors?

Here's a few suggestions to alleviate the damage (I don't know if you're already doing this stuff, so sorry if you are):

Don't go overboard with your Paranormal posts to the extent that you can't actually post them seemingly... Well, ever. You don't need a twelve page essay with nineteen quotes to be able to contribute something.
Ctrl+C your post BEFORE YOU TRY TO POST IT. That way, if the net decides to fail you don't just lose everything, and can try again later. It's only nomming your posts because you're letting it. (Not in the sense that you're doing on purpose, but it's something that's quite easily preventable.)
After that, it's a matter of persistence. You seem to be managing fairly well. Also, use quick reply (if you aren't already.) that's what I do, at least. You have to load a whole page less.

[Tiruin]

Huh, I know your net is bad. I just think you're unreasonably using it as justification (or at least, were. It's better now.)

I'm using public net.
 

By the way, I actually can't see any issue with those screenshots. Maybe a few images have trouble loading? It seems about consistent with the experiences I've had personally. The main issue appears to be something the screenshots aren't showing... Are you getting DNS errors?

URL dissonance.
Images flickering when screenshot'd seconds after each other.
Tab dissonance.
Obvious showing that I'm still connected-dissonance.
No DNS errors. (What's a DNS? >_>)
The screenshots are showing what is happening when my net flops on its face.
Sadly, the screenshots cannot show how fast the flickering is.
And that the same tab doing 'Connecting...' has been connecting for the past 8 minutes. How's that for your 40 seconds to load a forum page thing?

But yeah. I'm "unreasonably using it as justification."
I've a post done up, up and over the 40k character limit, thanks.

[UXLZ]

But yeah. I'm "unreasonably using it as justification."
I've a post done up, up and over the 40k character limit, thanks.

Knowing you, half of that character limit is probably made up of emotes. xD
More seriously, though:
 
You see Tiri-chan, I believe you, because I also have such a post. It is three hundred million paragraphs long, and details everything from the birth of the universe to the end of its creator. It contains the cure to cancer, the secret to eternal happiness, and the process by which humans ascend to godhood. It contains everything and yet it contains nothing, only the chosen may understand its message and those who are unworthy burn in holy fire.

I mean, I haven't actually posted it yet and no one has read it, but it's totally, definitely, not-at-all-sarcastically there.

So, here's my message: Regardless of whether it exists or not, it's a post that hasn't been posted. The way I'm demonstrating this might be a bit cruel, but I think it's necessary to show what it seems like from an outside perspective. Hell, that crazy super-post could actually exist but it would means NOTHING until it is actually HERE.

[Tiruin]

So, here's my message: Regardless of whether it exists or not, it's a post that hasn't been posted. The way I'm demonstrating this might be a bit cruel, but I think it's necessary to show what it seems like from an outside perspective. Hell, that crazy super-post could actually exist but it would means NOTHING until it is actually HERE.

I know :v But it has been influencing my reads on people due to it acting like a living notepad.
You don't have to delve so deeply into it to deconstruct its very nature in the name of Quantum Physics.
And not realize that I don't think you don't think I don't realize this.
Nor do you have such a post due to the obviousness of how its stated.

[Tiruin]

Anyway, to that big post. Here it is.

...Also please fix the lurkertracker ZU ._.
It's an awesome tool.

As a prelude, I've crosschecked the players--currently standing at 10; 3 dopps.
Day 1 Start
D1/N1 link.
D2/N2 link.
I've also had the prevailing feeling that the lynch towards me is...a paltry one. Its understandable in the context of 'lurking scum', but the wording isn't open-ended in the face of comparing generally everyone else.
It is 'paltry' in my eyes, because of the indicators people use to validate their reasoning on their votes. Compared to the rest present--there doesn't seem to be much comparison for that kind of pressure (unless its to make me speak...which is really crazy, because I'm not one to sit down and laze through a game.)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cheetar
Jim Groovester
Persus13
Shakerag
Deus Asmoth
UXLZ
Scripten
Tiruin
zombie urist
Toaster

D1:
TheDarkStar - Alien Spore Spreader (Infestor)

N1:
flabort - Town Vigilante [Bullet]
mastahcheese - Doppelganger Observant Guard [Bullet]
ToonyMan - Town War Vet [Bullet/Claw]

D2:
pisskop - Town Reporter

N2:
notquitethere - Town Telepath

Right, firstly addressing that N1 fiasco.
It is obvious that the Scum NK happened on ToonyMan due to the claw marks (to be clarified: In Mephansteras' Paranormal/Supernatural games, the one killed ALWAYS leaves a clue as to the flavor of their killer--which cannot be changed per 'faction')
Flabort has shot ToonyMan, because of the bullet mark. It is impossible, unless there is a currently covert Vig who shot Flabort, that he shot Mastahcheese due to this event and description.
Mastahcheese Performed the NK--Unless someone shot Mastahcheese and an unknown-as-of-now Dopp killed ToonyMan and got protected. Which complicates things.

Now it can't be an Alien (ie Exterminator). The ONLY tech which may nudge into this situation is a role with a MEDIUM TECH slot.

Medium Tech
Combat Camouflage: A combination of weapons and accessories that allows the Exterminator to mask his kills as if they came from any source (Vig, Dopp, or Abduction). Also works on kills made by Assassin Bots.

Why it can't be such is due to the given factors present [ie War Vet + Vigilante setup and kill flavor contradicting any other instance otherwise mentioned; and pisskop said he targeted ToonyMan--and he is town {pisskop, that is}]
It can't also be an AssBot because of the given notion above (and that...As far as I recall, the Assassin Bot has its own distinct flavor. I think it was compared to a spherical bot with blades? *chop chop chop*?)

Mephansteras: In this hypothetical scenario of an Alien killer with a Combat Camouflage tech--can the person change their 'masks' to different forms of flavor per kill, or is it a 'once set, this is what should be shown through the entirety of the game'?

Now as to my reads     _{Despite being a big jerk. :I}
> UXLZ is town--if there has been any spotting of a discrepancy in deadchat, NQT wouldn't have been that thorough in detailing his information, due to those before him being able to prod and poke the Medium on both fronts (in public-thread and in Deadchat). This has primarily been changed from neutral-leaning due to comparison of his posts (which are too long in number to sift and link here) towards his general demeanor.
...And also to the list below stating his general demeanor which brings him merit in my eye.

Spoiler: List of pertinent posts (click to show/hide)

His first post
His first vote ; To his credit, he stated his reluctance to vote here...long before he voted
His Second Vote {TDS' on death row}
Including directing people at 'lurkers', a positive point in my book
...And many others.

Scripten
Now you all recall my stance on him before, right? It's partly based on this post and his playstyle; he depends on interaction, and in the lack of such, suspicion creeps in.
Which invariably is reasonable due to how he's been acting ever since--something which poked my vote off as it was primarily based on 'Scripten is merely voting 'lurkers' with the presumption that they're scum over anyone else in-game'.
However that doesn't mean I do not suspect him.

Spoiler: Links! (+ a bit on pisskop) (click to show/hide)

Note on his playstyle
His vote! Which is pretty honest in D1; noted to judge via content rather than any other mention
Judgment in response to TDS; what's strange for me here is that comparing his reason for a vote and the reason for an unvote--there's little connection (seeing quotes and the addressing of people) other than TDS' insight into the area, however the acknowledgement into the logic is a very good sensible point, as an aside.
Shift to ToonyMan;Vote -- Again, activity.
Shifting to DeathSword -- Activity, once more; comparing the jump in quality and quantity as linked in his post of why the unvote occurred.
Shifting to Tiruin -- Activity poke. Though, indicative of quality questioning.

On Pisskop: Things like these compared to his eccentric attitude are what pushed me to see him as townier--or leaning that way anyway. The level of inquiry towards specific people under pressure acts as a certain leverage (fulcrum?) in order to check that the interrogators are not 'riding a wave towards the lynch', with the analogy of the wave pertaining towards checking if those 'acting as the questioners' aren't standing on a weak basis.

And his first D2 post -- Continuing on his logic, stated below
Response when questioned about his votes

I cut out the rest of the text and saved it in the meantime.
Scripten: Searchword 'Activity'; nobody has questioned you on that idea it seems:
Has your vote always been under the assumption of active lurking? It has been that way since this WHOLE GAME.
That, and poking at pisskop's note above--the only time it was questioned is when you deliver a hammering impact on me regarding Active Lurking and nothing else whatsoever (meaning: You did not answer another's question regarding your vote, even if indirectly)

[UXLZ]

Yaaay, -hugs Tiri-chan-, you've done iiiit.
Of course I'm wondering though: How did you access it? Presumably you're still on public net?

[UXLZ]

Well, NQT just PM'd me and he said that Toony was explicitly killed by Cheese and Flabort.

[Cheeetar]

Well, yeah. That's what we've known for a long time. What's the source of this confusion?

[UXLZ]

No idea. Someone (I think it was Jim or Scripten?) suggested that MC could have been guarding the person doing the NK rather than actually doing it.

[Deus Asmoth]

I believe the problem was that Jim forgot he'd seen Cheese visiting Tooney, so he wasn't sure whether Tooney killed Cheese as a result of being targeted or because he blocked Tooney from killing someone else.

[Scripten]

That's not possible. NQT inspected me as Find on N1, ergo I was not performing the kill N1.

Right. I'd forgotten about that. Disregard my suspicion, for I am truly a dunce.

UXLZ:

Truth be told, I find that hella unlikely. I think it's phrased like that due to the style of writing.
Think of it this way: We know two people that Toony definitely shot at: Flabort and Deus.
We know he shot at one other person. Now, do you really think the flavor of MC guarding someone who's attacking Toony would be written with Toony never attacking the person who's actually going after him? I just can't see it.

Nah, it's pretty much unthinkably unlikely now that I am reminded that NQT confirmed Jim's goal that night. On the other hand, if my hypothetical situation had happened, I do feel that it would be too town-sided (balance-wise) to post that MC had guarded someone else, at least explicitly.

No idea. Someone (I think it was Jim or Scripten?) suggested that MC could have been guarding the person doing the NK rather than actually doing it.

It was me being forgetful. Jim had forgotten that he'd followed MC, and I'd forgotten that NQT had confirmed him following MC. (Or, at least, having "find" as a goal) Hence, I was thinking that it might be possible that Jim was the dopp who performed the kill, but MC was guarding him at the time and thus got shot.

Apologies for spawning confusion.


Tiruin:

I've made a narrowing list with NQT over PMs--I think he quoted it, I'm unsure given the slow speed, however I did note the lightheartedness of general people here that I can't, actually, narrow down who in the midst of 'Shakerag, ZU, Jim, Toaster' or those queries who you note back there as 'scummier over the other'; duality of thought pertains to seeing either/or in this case, and neither stands out.
It's all in the big post which I should really post soon enough but gahhhh <_<

Does this not show my honesty regarding the queries on the reads?

Honestly? Not really. It just feels like you're sidestepping the question because you can't think it up in time.

I'm just making a confuzzled statement on WHY people are still thinking MC didn't kill Toony, because seeing that the DEAD show the truth--AND that pisskop says he acted on Toony (which doesn't seem to be something acknowledged by you or UXLZ due to the 'may' stance y'all got regarding that situation, in how I read it anyway), so the invariably obvious idea is that its the simplest one presented.

Was really just me, and was because I was dumb.

> Toaster has been ill, but I see a degree of pointedness in his posts which make me feel a bit...edgy around his playstyle this game.
> ZU is more focused, in regards to Toaster. Focusing on several specific parts of a person, and therefore a single person, shifting throughout the game. There's a degree of astuteness in him that doesn't point one way or the other given the lack of indication on others, in posts of his.

Would this then be accurate of your reads?

Toaster: Null, leaning scum
Zombie Urist: Null, leaning town

Mastahcheese Performed the NK--Unless someone shot Mastahcheese and an unknown-as-of-now Dopp killed ToonyMan and got protected.

If you're curious, this is the hypothetical situation I was musing over.

Has your vote always been under the assumption of active lurking? It has been that way since this WHOLE GAME.

Pretty much, though it's grown stronger as you reply with more and more fluff and dodging. There's also the fact that your reads, on day 3, are but puffs of air. (That is, not very strong at all, despite being fairy wordy.) You're trying to wiggle out of a lynch, but you're not really scumhunting. The most solid contributions you've given have been setup spec, which is a common place for scum to hide and pretend to contribute from.

I keep getting this feeling that the votes from ZU and Toaster on me during D2 were supposed to be a threat for voting Tiruin. (Considering they both accused me of having weak/toothless votes/cases or exclusively targeting lurkers.) Then when D3 comes along, you vote me with all kinds of spectacle and hold onto this big post that you claim has all this analysis. When you finally post it, the brunt of it is that I'm targeting you for active lurking and that I find people who post but don't contribute actual content to be scummy.

Well, yeah. I do. Because active lurking and pretending to contribute while decidedly not doing so IS SCUMMY.

Some questions for you, Tiruin:

Why am I your only scum read? (Discounting your consideration of DA, thought that is also... pretty weird.) And why is your only scum read so weak that you aren't even comfortable keeping your vote on me?

Also, why are your reads so intangible? You could easily say that anyone is scum or town without having to explain your train of thought, since almost every read you have given has said that you find everyone just about null.

[Shakerag]

Tiruin:
Have you tried going into your browser's settings and telling it to not show/download pictures?  Yeah, it makes things look like ass, but they do tend to load pretty quickly.


UXLZ:

Shakerag:
I'll definitely be voting for Tiruin if she keeps sidestepping Scripten's questions, but can you explain what info we'd get from their flip?

If she flips town, then we can confirm her reads.  If she flips scum, then that could implicate Toaster and zombie urist (and maybe Jim) as being potential scumbuddies of hers.