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[Teneb]

The last one was said by CA to be translated phonetically rather than being words in a chaos language.

Spoiler: So others can try (click to show/hide)

I think "World -something- Dark.

The "words" are Rhuarudh Rhufchar Dhuak. Anyway, I wonder how they'll even work.

[ZeroGravitas]

So I've resorted back to my old Total War:Rome cheapass tactic of hiding in the corner of the map so I have less weakpoints vs cavalry. Works great for dwarves but I'm just upset that they don't have a good counter to cavalry and I have to resort to the abuse of game mechanics (because fighting in mountainous regions doesn't create more than a small hill to hide on). I try defending with shield guys and then countering with great weapon guys, but that requires me to completely circle my quarrelers with troops to counter 2-3 cavalry units.

The best counter to cavalry as dwarves is to fight in the underway and spread your front line across the entire map so that nothing can flank you.

[Teneb]

So I've resorted back to my old Total War:Rome cheapass tactic of hiding in the corner of the map so I have less weakpoints vs cavalry. Works great for dwarves but I'm just upset that they don't have a good counter to cavalry and I have to resort to the abuse of game mechanics (because fighting in mountainous regions doesn't create more than a small hill to hide on). I try defending with shield guys and then countering with great weapon guys, but that requires me to completely circle my quarrelers with troops to counter 2-3 cavalry units.

The best counter to cavalry as dwarves is to fight in the underway and spread your front line across the entire map so that nothing can flank you.

I don't think you can force an underway battle.

[ZeroGravitas]

So I've resorted back to my old Total War:Rome cheapass tactic of hiding in the corner of the map so I have less weakpoints vs cavalry. Works great for dwarves but I'm just upset that they don't have a good counter to cavalry and I have to resort to the abuse of game mechanics (because fighting in mountainous regions doesn't create more than a small hill to hide on). I try defending with shield guys and then countering with great weapon guys, but that requires me to completely circle my quarrelers with troops to counter 2-3 cavalry units.

The best counter to cavalry as dwarves is to fight in the underway and spread your front line across the entire map so that nothing can flank you.

I don't think you can force an underway battle.

I thought that if you were in Underway stance and another army attacked, the battle would be in the Underway. Of course you can't 100% initiate a battle while in underway stance, but instead have to rely on interception (which also has the advantage of no retreats for the enemy, so 100% casualties).

[umiman]

I found if you just travel in front of a major enemy group in underway stance yourself, they'll happily come attack you.

Which is fine, since 3-1 odds isn't particularly hard as the dwarves when the enemy can't flank you.

[Tack]

Plus if they're a cavalry army it tends to skew the AI odds so they get aggressive.

[Micro102]

Spreading your melee dwarves across the entire underpath seems like a good way to let the enemy breach your defense.

[umiman]

Spreading your melee dwarves across the entire underpath seems like a good way to let the enemy breach your defense.

Ironbreakers are pretty incredible at defending a charge. Even Longbeards are pretty amazing too. I normally stretch them out to just two ranks as that seems to be enough to defend against everything except Chaos Chariots.

The ideal Dwarven defensive line is usually staggered too.

So you purposely leave holes in your lines for your ranged troops to fire through. The AI doesn't charge through that hole if they get caught on the edge of something. So you basically just have to watch for heroes or monsters as those guys will happily run through the gaps.

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^ That doesn't really work in MP though.

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Trailer's out boyz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds1ZsQAISeM

According to Reddit, it'll come with two free-LC in the form of Amber magic and an Amber Mage hero.

[Teneb]

Thanks for the link, Umiman. Looks like it's still unlisted and the steam page linked in the description not public yet, so we can't see the roster.

[Micro102]

Has anyone tried to kill heros with cannons? I hesitate as I don't want to waste all my cannon shots on attempting to kill a unit.

[umiman]

Has anyone tried to kill heros with cannons? I hesitate as I don't want to waste all my cannon shots on attempting to kill a unit.

Doesn't really work unless they're large sized (mounted / Kholek). They just get bounced around without much damage.

They go down very fast to guns though. Crossbows / bows work too, to a degree.

[Mech#4]

I have used artillery to target heroes. They're a bit too inaccurate but when there's no other targets. I find magic missile spells like fireballs much more effective at taking down enemy heroes and lords.

[Teneb]

I have used artillery to target heroes. They're a bit too inaccurate but when there's no other targets. I find magic missile spells like fireballs much more effective at taking down enemy heroes and lords.

Fliers are also great for lord-sniping, but it's only really viable for the VCs.

[Teneb]

Double post, but it's better than editing the last one. The page for beastmen is up on steam. Most of the below is paraphrased from the steam page because apparently I have nothing better to do.

They look pretty interesting, actually. They're hordes, like WoC. Unlike WoC, they don't get attrition for standing too close together. They start on Estalia in the Grand Campaign and use Chaos Corruption. They got a renamed (bestial rage) fightyness meter like the greenskins, complete with Waaagh! (brayherd) army. They get unique army stances. Ambush is their default one and allows not only for ambushing on the go, but also moving mostly unseen. Hidden encampment is pretty much like the WoC one, but also stealthed. Beast-paths is their version of the underway complete with unique battle map. Finally they get raiding stance like everyone else.

When they capture a settlement, they get two unique options: Raze and Loot, or Raze and Defile. First razes the settlement and gives you loot. Second also razes, but instead gives you population and erects a "blasphemous monument" that will generate a lot corruption for the area. They periodically get an event on top of all that where they can pick a bonus in exchange for specific prices.

Lords are Khazrak the One Eyed, that has two quests and the global abilities of +10% raiding income and +5 leadership vs humans, or Malagor the Dark Omen, with a single quest, but access to the beastmen-unique Lore of the Wild and global passives of +1 Bray Shaman capacity and +5% movement range.

Their hero options are either the melee-specialist Gorebull or the Bray-Shaman that can use Lores of Death, Beasts, and Wild. Lore of the Wild's final spell summons a Cygor, which sounds insane.

The DLC will also feature a mini-campaign about Khazrak vs Boris Toddbringer

Spoiler: Abilities (click to show/hide)

Resilience
An ability common to all units in the Beastmen roster, Resilience prevents the attrition caused by infighting between hordes in close proximity on the Campaign map.

Primal Fury
Many Gor units (Ungors, Gors, Bestigors and Centigors) have the Primal Fury ability, which brings a constant active buff to their Speed, Charge Bonus and Melee Attack characteristics.

Rowdy
Centigors are emboldened when fighting, drinking and feasting together, although such ‘bravery’ is only temporary at best. In battle, they gain immunity to vigour-loss and a leadership bonus. If their morale begins to waver however, the Rowdy effect is lost.

Bloodgreed
The Minotaurs’ Bloodgreed makes them vicious combatants, and brings buffs to their Charge Bonus, Speed, Weapon Damage and Melee Attack characteristics.

Soul Eater
The towering bipedal Cygor feasts on the souls of wizards. Any spellcasters within range of a Cygor’s aura suffer an increased chance to miscast.

Thunderous Charge
The porcine, tusky bulk of the Razorgor makes for a Thunderous Charge, granting buffs to its Charge Speed and Charge Bonus characteristics.

Vanguard Deployment
While this ability is not unique to The Beastmen, the majority of units in the Beastmen roster have it. This means that large swathes of the army may be deployed outside the normal deployment zone and deep in the field, ready to close with the enemy and strike in very short order.

Spoiler: Roster (click to show/hide)

Ungor Raiders: T1 missile infantry, bow
Abilities: Stalk, Resilience, Vanguard Deployment, Primal Fury

Ungor Spearmen herd: T1 melee infantry, spear
Abilities: Resilience, Hide, Primal Fury, Vanguard Deployment

Chaos Warhounds: T1 melee beasts, very fast
Abilities: Missile Resistance, Resilience, Hide

Ungor Herd (shields): T2 melee infantry, axe and shield
Abilities: Stalk, Resilience, Vanguard Deployment, Primal Fury

Ungor Spearmen herd (Shields): T2 melee infantry, axe and shield
Abilities: Resilience, Hide, Primal Fury, Vanguard Deployment

Chaos Warhounds (poison): T2 melee beasts, very fast
Abilities: Missile Resistance, Resilience, Hide, Poison Attacks

Centigors: T3 melee monstrous cavalry, very fast, vanguard deployment
Abilities: Resilience, Vanguard Deployment, Primal Fury, Drunken

Gor Herd: T3 melee infantry, axe
Abilities: Resilience, Hide, Primal Fury

Gor Herd (shields): T3 melee infantry, axe
Abilities: Resilience, Hide, Primal Fury

Razorgor Herd: T3 melee monstrous beast, armour-piercing
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Thunderous Charge

Minotaurs: T3 melee monstrous infantry, armoured
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Bloodgreed

Bestigor Herd: T4 melee infantry, great axe (armour piercing)
Abilities: Resilience, Primal Fury, Hide

Chaos Spawn: T4 melee monstrous Infantry
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Unbreakable

Centigors (throwing axes): T4 monstrous missile cavalry, armour piercing, shielded, very fast,
Abilities: Resilience, Vanguard Deployment, Primal Fury, Drunken

Razorgor Chariot: T4 chariot, armoured, armour piercing,
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Thunderous Charge, Primal Fury

Minotaurs (shields): T4 melee monstrous infantry, armoured and shielded
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Bloodgreed

Centigors (Great Weapons): T5 monstrous melee cavalry, armour piercing, very fast
Abilities: Resilience, Vanguard Deployment, Primal Fury, Drunken

Minotaurs (Great Weapons): T5 melee monstrous infantry, armoured, armour-piercing
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Bloodgreed

Cygor: T5 monstrous artillery, special ranged weapon, very long range, causes terror
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Causes Terror, Soul Eater

Chaos Giant: T5 monster, armour piercing
Abilities: Resilience, Causes Fear, Causes Terror

[Tack]

So their mages can summon free artillery...
Could be counterproductive if you like to keep a 20-stack.