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[Taricus]

That being said though, depending on the faction, there may be a good chunk of your units locked behind a paygate; The Skaven in particular really need the weapons teams they get from DLC (And I'd say for rat wolves too, but that's just my opinion.)

[Mech#4]

Yah, the Skaven weapon teams mostly missing are rough. I don't think it's as heavy of a loss for the other factions, more some added flexibility. It's just the two Skaven weapon teams, Ratling Guns and Warplock Jezzails, help a lot with ranged armour piercing.

Poison Wind Globadiers and Death Wind Globadiers have changed since release and work a bit better then they did for this purpose but still.

[Jopax]

TBF tho Ikit is probably the single most fun/broken Skaven lord, so if you're gonna get any of their stuff, that one is probably the one you want.

Also, on the so far showcased endless battle thing. I think it was LegendOfTotalWar that said in his showcase video that it's a special kind of encounter in the vein of quest battles or campaign finale battles. Something that won't be that common and possibly reserved for finishing off a particular demon faction and kicking them off the map. Which I'm fine with, as interesting as it looked I have a feeling if it wasn't randomized in any way it'd get pretty boring and optimized fairly quickly like most sieges are now.

And finally on the last DLC announced for WH2, ehhhh.
Never cared much for beastmen (one of the few DLC I never bothered getting) and I'm not too hot for a skink heavy faction either (much more of a big stompy lizard guy personally) so I'm not particularly interested in this one, hopefully the free lord that comes with it is going to be good.

[nenjin]

I love Beastmen, personally, and I just hope the rework actually makes them competitive instead of a complete fucking joke of a faction.

[dragdeler]

Are there any dlc in sale that you would consider a must have? Which and why?

[nenjin]

For which game? The DLCs are all about "who do you find cool." None of them are essential. Even if you buy none of them, the factions and their Legendary Lords will all be present to fight you or ally with your faction. You just can't confederate a faction and their Legendary Lord and play them like you own them, if you don't own their DLC.

But personally, all the Skaven DLC are worth it IMO.

[IronyOwl]

You need the first game to unlock the big map and most factions, so I'd consider that DLC for this purpose. I've also gotten my money's worth out of it, despite being decidedly expansion-priced.

Vampire Counts (WH1 DLC) are super fun. Corrupt the land, crush your foes with immortal warrior-wizards, pin them down with oceans of skeletal fodder, rout them with screeching sky terrors. No ranged units, so you've gotta flank or punch through the typical frontline-backline formation most factions use, or they'll just pin and whittle you down. Plenty of flying units to do that with, though, or you could ram them with lumbering monsters or rabid wolves or skeletal knights.

[nenjin]

I guess that’s worth mentioning too. Each faction plays differently than others in several realms, mostly militarily in terms of what their troops are good at, but also what game play gimmicks drive the faction overall and how their economy functions. For example, Empire makes little bits of money from every town because many of their buildings provide income in addition to gameplay benefits. Vampire Counts, by contrast, have very few buildings that provide income. Most of their income comes from their main settlement building and a few key high level buildings.

You could research all that....or just play what looks cool. Other than Beastmen, I feel like all faction meta things like economy and what not really do jive with the overall aesthetic of each faction.

[dragdeler]

I think I should preorder 3 since I will want to play the biggest campaign, there isn't really a downside of getting a dlc if I'm sure I'll buy the game, that or wait for sale. Got 1 and 2 in sale when I hardly knew warhammer, so far only paid the blood dlc. Played dwarves, lizards and imric.

-Pirates look kind of cool because of mobile base and "guntreants", no range units sound offputting though.
-I took an interest in tombking lore, pretty sure I'm getting them.
-Chaos looks like ok price but probably not worth it since I'm getting loads of chaos with WH3.
-Twisted and twilight looks cool because I've been meaning to try skaven and moulder is the mutations one right? Also I get to play woodelves without buying the big DLC.

So that would be like 60€ preorder, 10€ tombkings, and 5€ T&T DLC... Even if I only spent like 40 or something up until now it seems excessive and I hate to be supporting such business practices but what are you going to do, TW+Warhammer is an awesome blend... Waiting for sale would mean like maybe 10€ off 60 by end of the year, if I'm lucky enough that 3 should come out several months before winter sales, which is basically the price of a dlc, so I might as well right?! Who knows maybe it's actually a cool race.

Edit: it just seems less stressful to decide the total sum of money I will be spending now, and then just live with what I have (which is plenty, with 3 games and all the FLC that come with them, plus a few gimmicks because I'm and idiot that gets seduced by sales)

[IronyOwl]

-Pirates look kind of cool because of mobile base and "guntreants", no range units sound offputting though.

Vampire pirates have a ton of ranged weaponry, it's the landlubbers that don't. Counts rely on bat swarms and wolves and knights. Coast has zombie gunners and zombie artillery and zombie gunners standing on top of crabs and the aforementioned walking shipwrecks mounted with artillery. And bats holding zombies holding bombs, because this faction is incredibly silly.

Mobile bases are indeed interesting, though I haven't gotten used to them enough to figure out how to make them work best. I'm kind of a shit pirate in general, really.


On that note, I appear to have been slightly mistaken- Vampire Counts come with WH1 base game, not separate WH1 DLC.

[nenjin]

Chaos is kinda dull, actually. Most of the "Raiding" factions are. They carry their towns around with them and don't occupy territory, which ends up being about 40% of gameplay for most other factions. Instead they just make their money by sacking everything. Chaos in particular is super melee heavy, almost no ranged, so there's not a lot of finesse. There's a lot of rag-tag garbage T1 and T2 melee and cavalry troops. Then you get Chaos Warriors, better Chaos Warriors, even better Chaos Warriors, some Dragon Ogres, some Hellcannons and that's pretty much it. Against normal AI Chaos Warrior doomstacks pretty much flatten everything in auto-resolve. All in all, not a hard faction to play but also not as awesome or rewarding as you'd want it to be. Beastmen are in the same boat, except they suck and take much much longer to become effective than Chaos.

[Manveru Taurënér]

So I see currently on Steam that Warhammer 2 is on sale right about now. I might consider getting it, but I've heard some disturbing news about it; Is it true that if you don't own the first Warhammer, that somethings are inexplicably locked out for you in Warhammer 2? If that's the case, it's essentially a deal broker for me and it seems like a malicious business practice. Though I hope that it isn't right at all, and I've just heard some random bad stuff about Warhammer 2 that may have been out of context.

You can get WH2 and a few select DLCs for the race(s) you enjoy and get a 100% complete single experience for those races in the WH2 campaign even without WH1. All having the first game as well does is add a separate bonus campaign with a combined, smushed together map of both game areas where you can play as any race from any of the content you own (I've personally despite owning both games and almost all DLC and having sunk 900 hours into TW2 not even bothered with a mortal empires campaign). And even if you don't own a particular game or DLC you still get to fight against those factions so any paid content added still benefit you whether you pay for it or not, which I'd personally say is about as consumer friendly as it could possibly get. Sure it looks intimidating when you see the full list of stuff to buy since by now they've been continually adding stuff for over 5 years, but you really don't need more than a handful of them for a full experience.

Basically, if you get WH2 and for instance decide you want to play High Elves, just getting the 2 DLC's for High Elves will let you play the High Elf WH 2 campaign and have the entire experience be indistinguishable from someone playing the campaign who owns every bit of content there is (also the blood and gore dlc, which while cheap some people object to the concept of, but ratings and stuff you know).

[dragdeler]

Oh I didn't see that question.

What's worth noting is that when you own more than one game, you can play campaign throughout the united maps. At least that goes for 1+2... I'm assuming there will be a 1+2+3 campaign. I don't know whether there will be 1+3 or 2+3.


If you just want to play a campaign or two for a cheap buck I'd advise checking if 1 or 2 has the races you prefer, and getting one of them in sale. Whatever you own you get to use in subsequent games... That's why I'd assume most people will advise to grab all base games at sale: you get the most options for the money... If you care a lot about not being frivolous with your money I'd avoid the DLC like the plague. It should be noted that each game has a number of FLC too you get to use in each subsequent release  IIRC. If you pick a DLC with a lord for a  race you didn't have yet, you get a foot into that race making it completly playable except you can only pick that lord. Oh and preordering gets you a paid DLC for free.


I think that's about it. It sucks that they are that greedy and I understand where you come from, but like 15 bucks for the first is probably worth it IMHO, if you're not super invested into particular race you can get hundreds of hours out of it, easily, if you play each lord you have at your disposition.


Edit: with the dlc for this game its a bit like with cities skylines which I cracked with everything included, thinking I'd be cheated out of content with the base edition, then you realize you'd need to add a few hundred hours of gameplay to justify needing all that's on the menu.

[nenjin]

I think Mortal Empires is a way better campaign than the Vortex Campaign, personally. The Vortex campaign mixes everything up, you can only play a section of the full map, it's harder, has essentially puzzle-like challenges built into how your enemies approach you. About the only thing that might be worth it is the story and story-based battles but eh......

[dragdeler]

I played both campaigns, but somehow didn't find it in me to get invested into WH1 only installed that to grab all the FLC.


I don't super care for quest battles neither, I'll do them ok but seeking them out is another  issue, and at times that'll make me feel like I'm missing essential parts... But quests in TW campaigns have allways managed to elude me, I got my own plans usually.