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[umiman]

It's just me, or 8 freaking trebuchets just punched straight trough few meters thick stone wall and promptly collapsed it in one volley? That's the whole new level of "walls are useless".   

They probably have cheats on to make it move a little faster.

[Il Palazzo]

Meh. I'll stick to KOEI with this one.

[Persus13]

I desperately hope there is Chinese audio though.

They mentioned in an interview they were hoping to target the Chinese market, so there should be an early mod that ports stuff for the Chinese language version if not.

Looks like older version of seiges are back in.

[Culise]

Heck, we should even question why counterweight trebuchets are even being used in Three Kingdoms-era China.  The very oldest mention of them is in 1187 CE, and they don't reach China until almost a century later.  They should all be traction trebuchets (though a neologism; pŕo would be better name), which were invented in China.  How horribly unrealistic, in an era where umiman has already pointed out the historically accurate version of the siege.

[thvaz]

Historical total war fans may be really upset with the game following closer to the myths than to history. Even with a realistic mode, most of the assets looks like more mythical than historical. Maybe Total War Saga was an attempt to appease them, as it looks like really well researched?

[Mech#4]

New patch coming out within the next day or so (21st June 15:00 BST).

It also reveals the new unit for the Queen and the Crone DLC that was being hinted at, the Kharibdyss.
Creative Assembly description: "Excelling at munching on other monsters, the Kharibdyss may be slow and lumbering but its poisonous armour-piercing attacks are some of the hardest hitting in the game. Its terrifying presence and abyssal howl reduce the most courageous leaders to mere shadows of their former selves, and even dragons may end up reduced to little more than a mid-battle snack by one of its many mouths."


Patch notes on Creative Assembly's blog.

Spoiler: Patch Notes (click to show/hide)

With the chalice now overflowing with the blood of those who dared oppose the Druchii, the time has come – behold as the loathsome Kharibdyss rises from the depths!

The Kharibdyss is a free addition to the Dark Elves roster for all owners of The Queen & The Crone DLC, and will be available from 15:00 BST on the 21st of June.

Excelling at munching on other monsters, the Kharibdyss may be slow and lumbering but its poisonous armour-piercing attacks are some of the hardest hitting in the game. Its terrifying presence and abyssal howl reduce the most courageous leaders to mere shadows of their former selves, and even dragons may end up reduced to little more than a mid-battle snack by one of its many mouths.

In addition to the arrival of the eponymous monster, the Kharibdyss update also includes a number of revisions, improvements and balance changes for Total War: WARHAMMER II for all players regardless of whether they own The Queen & The Crone – read on to find out more.
Patch Notes

    Rebalanced Crone Hellebron’s Cursed Blade ability by removing the phase recharge and changing the phase to deal up to 144 to a single target when the phase is applied. The phase can be reapplied every ten seconds.
    Rogue armies will now spawn correctly in campaigns.
    Arkhan’s Legion of Death skill will now add factionwide buffs to Fell Bats, Crypt Ghouls, Dire Wolves and Hex Wraiths.
    Bone Giant has had the undead trait removed and the construct trait added as well as +10 Leadership.
    Bretonnian starting armies have been changed back to what they were prior to The Queen and the Crone update.
    Tyrion’s -1 to recruitment time will now apply to Sisters of Avelorn and Shadow Warriors.
    Firebark Elders (Tree Kin) Regiment of Renown unit now correctly has its Wildfire Aura ability.
    Summoners of Rage (Dragon Ogres) Regiment of Renown unit now correctly has its Chain Lightning ability.
    Great Mortis Delta province is now correctly part of the Geomantic Web.
    Fixed a softlock that would occur for Crone Hellebron when the Amulet of Dark Fire quest would trigger when Shrine of Khaine had been razed.
    Sword of Khaine will no longer display an Empire flag after loading a save game from before The Queen and the Crone update when Shrine of Khaine has been razed.
    Diplomacy Greetings for Dark Elf factions will now use the correct VO actors.
    Sisters of Slaughter and Sisters of Avelorn will no longer use male conversational VO in battles.
    Builds in localised languages will now trigger UI click sounds on the technology tree, skill tree and crafting screens.
    Rites are no longer locked on save games created before The Queen and The Crone’s release.
    Walls will now display correctly on the campaign map when loading a save game.
    Black Ark Admirals will no longer be able to obtain The Sword of Khaine.
    Sword of Khaine will no longer be lost when the Lord’s army does not participate in a battle as a reinforcing army due to Lightning Strike and the allied army suffers a loss.
    AI will now upgrade Gaean Vale.
    AI will now build Handmaiden’s Gallery.
    Norsca and Wintertooth can no longer build minor defense buildings in province captials.
    Alarielle’s Star of Avelorn now requires 85% untained in Titan Peaks as part of the quest chain, rather than 95%.
    Gianthome Mountains will now have a garrison force.
    Dreadlord of Hag Graef will now unlock after building The Dark Crag.
    The Tier V Dwarf Smith building chain will now increase the capacity for Runesmiths recruitable.
    AI Throgg will no longer upgrade to a chariot.
    Wood Elves and Argwylon Tree Kin will no longer use Averlorn faction colours.
    Tomb Kings Regiments of Renown now correctly show the diamond icon denoting they are Regiments of Renown within battle.
    Supreme Sorceress shoulder clipping issues have been fixed.
    Fashion advisors have been hired for the Hydras.
    Legacy of the Necromancer achievement will now be attainable.
    Cave In achievement will now be attainable.
    Mods will now show up correctly in the modified.log file.
    Various spelling and grammatical errors fixed.
    Various localisation issues fixed across multiple languages.

Balance Changes
Units
Beastmen

    Bestigor Herd

– 5 armour

    Khorrok’s Manripper

– 5 armour

    Gor Herd (Shields)

+ 1 melee attack

    Gor Herd

+ 1 melee attack

    Cygor RoR

+ 50 cost
Bretonnia

    Royal Hippogryph Knights

+ 10 Armour

+ 400 Mass

    Alberic de Bordeleaux

+ 10 Armour

    King Louen Leoncoeur

+ 10 Armour

    Lord

+ 10 Armour

    Green Knight

+ 480 health

    Foot Squires

– 50 Cost

    Mounted Yeomen Archers

– 50 cost

    Questing Knights RoR

+ 50 cost

    Foot Squires RoR

– 50 Cost

+ 1 Melee Attack

    Men-at-Arms

– Added ‘Expendable’ attribute

    Men-at-Arms (Shields)

– Added ‘Expendable’ attribute

    Spearmen-at-Arms

– Added ‘Expendable’ attribute

    Men-at-Arms (Polearm)

– Added ‘Expendable’ attribute

    Spearmen-at-Arms (Shields)

– Added ‘Expendable’ attribute

    Paladin (All Variants)

– Added ‘Guardian’ ability

+ 12 Bonus vs Large
Chaos

    Kholek

Increased projectile hit box size

    Chosen (all)

– 1 Hit Points per Entity

    Marauders (Great Weapons)

+ 1 Charge Bonus

    Marauder Horsemasters

+ 2 Charge Bonus

    Sigvald the Magnificent

– 50 cost

    Sarthorael

+ 50 cost

    Hellcannon

Minor decrease in projectile accuracy

    Hellcannon RoR

+ 50 cost

    Swords of Chaos

– 3 base melee damage

+ 3 ap melee damage
Dark Elves

    Raven Heralds

+ 5 Hit Points per Entity

    Bolt-Fiends

Replaced Murderous Mastery with Murderous Prowess

– 25 cost

    Doomfire Warlocks

+ 50 cost

    Slaanesh Harvesters

+ 50 cost

    Sisters of Slaughter

– 2 melee attack

– 1 ap melee damage

– 15 missile block chance.
Dwarfs

    Thane

– 50 cost

    Gyrobomber

+ 3 projectile ap damage

+ 1 projectile base damage
Empire

    Flagellants

+ 2 hit points per entity

    Tattersouls

+ 2 hit points per entity

    Halberdiers

– ‘Upgraded Charge Defence vs Large’ attribute to ‘Expert Charge Defence’

+ 4 leadership

    Greatswords

– 50 cost
Greenskins

    Black Orcs

– 1 hit points per entity

– 1 Charge Bonus
High Elves

    Swordmasters of Hoeth

– 50 cost

    Alith Anar

Increased projectile muzzle velocity

    Sisters of Avelorn

Minor increase in projectile accuracy
Lizardmen

    Cold One Riders

– 50 Cost

    Kroxigors

+ 16 Hit Points per Entity

+ 15% Missile Resistance

    Blessed Kroxigors

+ 16 Hit Points per Entity

+ 15% Missile Resistance
Norsca

    Marauder Champions

+ 5 leadership

    Mammoths (all)

+ 5 bonus vs infantry

+ 3000 mass

    Marauders (Great Weapons)

+ 1 Charge Bonus

    Marauder Horsemasters

+ 2 Charge Bonus

    Icehorn Marauders (Norscan Marauders RoR)

– 50 cost

    Fimir Warriors (Great Weapons)

– 3 bonus vs. large

    Fimir Warriors

+ 10 base melee damage
Skaven

    Death Runners

+ 2 Charge Bonus

    Plague Monk Censerbearers

+ 2 health per entity

    Poison Wind Globadiers

+ 4 bonus vs large missile damage

    Warp Lightning Cannon

+ 112 HP

    Plagueclaw Catapult

+ 106 HP
Vampire Counts

    Devils of Swartzhafen

– 100 cost

    Grave Guard (GW)

– 50 cost
Wood Elves

    Eternal Guard RoR

– 50 cost

    Wardancers RoR

– 50 cost
Abilities

    Hold the Line: replaced +100% Charge Resistance with +5 melee defence.
    Hammer of Sigmar: now AoE 40m radius
    Grand Hammer of Sigmar: duration increased to 50 seconds
    Shield of Faith: duration increased to 25 secs.
    Grand Shield of Faith: reduced to 40m radius, duration increased to 50 seconds.

Things of note in the patch are;
- All Bretonnian peasant units gaining Expendable.
- Empire Halbadiers gaining Expert Charge Defense instead of Charge Defense vs Large.
- Rogue Armies should spawn normally
- Bone Giant is now a construct and not undead.
- Crone Hellebron's Cursed Blade ability is no longer bugged to deal large amounts of damage over time.

[umiman]

Fashion advisors have been hired for the Hydras

Lol.

[Tack]

Currently playing a co-op TK/VC game, so yay.
Currently playing a co-op Orcs n’ Goblins game, so boo. Black Orcs didn’t need the nerf.


Also, as a man who primarily ran Battle Pilgrims, I’m not sure how to feel

[sambojin]

Stuff that's important to me from the last two patches.

Waaaggghh! is now a mapwide ability in battle. And little lords get it in MP. Nice! None of this strategic spearhead stuff, just press the button and charge everything. Yeah, it's a bit weaker, but *everything*.

Little Waaaggh magic got a tiny buff with AP on their magic missile, and cheaper powercost spells for spamming.

Apparently Greenskins aren't only the most balanced race, they're one of the strongest (or something), getting tonnes of minor nerfs across the board, only slightly helped by making BOs a bit faster to recruit. Huh. Were they that strong before? Didn't seem like it.


But +24 attack, +24% speed, +30% charge bonus probably makes up for it. Even gobbo archers and wolfriders can do a bit when you press the big, red Waaaghh! button. Everything becomes an average/good melee troop for 30sec, which really does enhance the versatility and army makeup options for them. Can anyone confirm its actually a flat +24 attack, and not +24% attack?  Because the grots all of a sudden seem pretty good with a flat +24 attack, to the point of being amazing for their cost, but only for thirty seconds....

[Tack]

Yeah the AI certainly seems to take over the map now, which is weird because it was the VC’s doing it before the TK’s arrived.
Guess that’s a good litmus for the power of a faction though, or at least their auto resolve power.

[Persus13]

If my Warhammer 1 experience is anything to go by, autoresolve tends to favor VCs because they have high unit counts even though zombies are pretty trash to fight in combat. Goblins might similarly buff the greenskins autoresolve, but I can't confirm that.

[Il Palazzo]

Question: If I don't buy the latest DLC, do I still get to capture that silly new sword in battle or what?

[Teneb]

Question: If I don't buy the latest DLC, do I still get to capture that silly new sword in battle or what?

The sword is not DLC, but patch content. So you can draw/steal it regardless.

[Teneb]

Le bump for a possible (still unconfirmed) leak. Sauce

Spoiler: Skaven Units (click to show/hide)

    vo_sel_skv_Beastlings_of_Seep_Gore

    vo_sel_skv_Blightscabs_Plaguepack

    vo_sel_skv_Clan_Vulkn_Tailslashers

    vo_sel_skv_Council_Guard

    vo_sel_skv_Deathvermin_of_Clan_Rictus

    vo_sel_skv_Flint_Ratz

    vo_sel_skv_Giant_Rat_Pack

    vo_sel_skv_Great_Claw_of_Feesik

    vo_sel_skv_Hallscurrys_Chosen

    vo_sel_skv_Ratling_Gun_Weapons_Team

    vo_sel_skv_Scabrous_Elders_of_the_Pox

    vo_sel_skv_The_Gaseous_Ones

    vo_sel_skv_The_Needless_Less

    vo_sel_skv_The_Skurry_Stabbers

    vo_sel_skv_The_Wolfrats

    vo_sel_skv_Volkn_Fire_tails

    vo_sel_skv_Warplock_Jezzails

[umiman]

ratling guns yeah ratling guns yeah