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[umiman]

Finally got enough money to get the game later today. I guess I'll be playing Norsca tonight.

Umiman: could you either link to the complaints about the Vortex itself or paraphrase it for us?

Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/72qm20/german_gaming_magazine_claims_vortex_mechanic_is/

tl;dr: The map is too big to properly intercept any vortex issues. The summon armies mechanic to disrupt the rituals doesn't work as the armies just fuck off and do random things instead. The final vortex battle is way too easy and makes it so you don't have to care about the entire mechanic at all because there's no way you can lose the last chance battle regardless.

[Teneb]

Reading and pondering about what is written, I think the only actual problem is summoned armies just fucking off.

Yeah, the final vortex battle is easy. But I remember that not too long ago I was utter and complete trash at the game, and a lot of people are also not good at it. If you don't want to have the chance to do a failsafe battle then just... quit when it pops up? It's the same as just losing outright.

Can you imagine the reaction if CA decided that you HAD to be the first to complete the rituals or game over? Some people (though not me) just want to paint the map and make nice borders (embrace the bordergore).

I expect mods will start popping up pretty fast to make it as hard or easy as the user may want.

[umiman]

I expect mods will start popping up pretty fast to make it as hard or easy as the user may want.

Uhh... I don't think you can actually mod quest battles themselves. There are no mods in TWW that do that, despite many of the end-game ones being stupidly easy too.

From the way people are describing the final battle, you don't have to do anything to win, as the AI has to fight 3 other AI armies anyway. So it's not that it's just easy. It's to the point where you don't have to even be there and the only way you could lose that battle is if you deliberately sabotaged your allies in that fight.

[Teneb]

I expect mods will start popping up pretty fast to make it as hard or easy as the user may want.

Uhh... I don't think you can actually mod quest battles themselves. There are no mods in TWW that do that, despite many of the end-game ones being stupidly easy too.

From the way people are describing the final battle, you don't have to do anything to win, as the AI has to fight 3 other AI armies anyway. So it's not that it's just easy. It's to the point where you don't have to even be there and the only way you could lose that battle is if you deliberately sabotaged your allies in that fight.

You can't mod the battles. But you can mod unit stats, which will increase the difficulty.

[umiman]

I expect mods will start popping up pretty fast to make it as hard or easy as the user may want.

Uhh... I don't think you can actually mod quest battles themselves. There are no mods in TWW that do that, despite many of the end-game ones being stupidly easy too.

From the way people are describing the final battle, you don't have to do anything to win, as the AI has to fight 3 other AI armies anyway. So it's not that it's just easy. It's to the point where you don't have to even be there and the only way you could lose that battle is if you deliberately sabotaged your allies in that fight.

You can't mod the battles. But you can mod unit stats, which will increase the difficulty.

How would that make the final battle more difficult? All the AI ally troops will have increased unit stats too. I'm assuming you're referring to how you can modify the stat cheats the AI gets when you up the difficulty, but they affect all AI troops, not just the enemy. They have to, because all the AI are your enemies to begin with. You can't temporarily change the stats on a per battle basis.

So you just end up with all the AI being more powerful and you still don't have to do anything.

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I don't really care too much about the ritual stuff anyway. I kinda accepted it to be gimmicky and more like a non-replayable thing anyway.

My main focus was always on the combined campaign. That and manual control ratling guns. But since I won't get either at release, I'm pretty ambivalent on everything.

[Tack]

Same. Combined campaign and Skryre DLC, pls

[Teneb]

Finished Norsca on Very Hard with the Crow path. Final battle was surprisingly hard. Also this means that I've done each race on Very Hard (except Greenskins, who were on Legendary). Of all of them, my favorites ended up being Dwarfs and Beastmen.

Looking forward to doing a Dark Elf run tomorrow.

[Mech#4]

I expect mods will start popping up pretty fast to make it as hard or easy as the user may want.

Uhh... I don't think you can actually mod quest battles themselves. There are no mods in TWW that do that, despite many of the end-game ones being stupidly easy too.

From the way people are describing the final battle, you don't have to do anything to win, as the AI has to fight 3 other AI armies anyway. So it's not that it's just easy. It's to the point where you don't have to even be there and the only way you could lose that battle is if you deliberately sabotaged your allies in that fight.

It seems like stopping the A.I. from winning the last battle doesn't mean you win, rather you still have to complete the ritual yourself before you can win the campaign.

    CA_Whelan said:

    Hey guys, stopping the AI win the final battle doesn't win the final battle for yourself!

    You have to go through the entire ritual chain and trigger the final battle on your own to win the campaign through the vortex race, we just give you a chance to claw yourself back and have a second wind by stopping the other factions from completing the race.

    If they're reporting that you can just teleport an army over and win the game then I'm afraid they've misunderstood

On the intervention armies; I do think they undermine a bit of the challenge and rush when you can summon armies, but it's understandable when the maps so big.

With mods it should be possible to modify some things to do with the campaign. There are mods that change when the Chaos armies arrive in Warhammer 1, whether they arrive earlier or later.

[Tack]

Game unlocks for me in an hour and a half.
Very keen.

Not sure if it's rolling release though, because it's releasing at not-midnight.

[umiman]

Game is out.

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Feels so weird to see such a teeny tiny faction selection list again. Hopefully we don't have to wait too long for the Mortal Empires map so I can kill Elves with Dwarf fire.

Also there's no blood.

[thvaz]

I thought we would have game 1 factions available in custom battles (provided we have the game 1)

Graphics are weird somehow. Fonts are kinda blurry. Playing at 1440p max settings and the game doesnt look very good. Though I had this problem with game 1 too.

[Mech#4]

My campaign as Tyrion and the High Elves is going well, though slowly as I'm paying attention to things closely. I've noted some very interesting things so far;

Spoiler:  In case people want to find this stuff out for themselves. Stats, traits and the like. (click to show/hide)

I recruited a White Lion lord called Alastor. He came with a unique item of a White Lion Pelt that gives him Armour +6 and Ward Save +10%. He also has some unique skills in his tree like "Lion Guardian" which gives him +12 Bonus vs Large, +10 Leadership and Strider.

Some of the mages you can recruit using influence are really good. I've seen a High Magic mage with Melkoths Mystifying Miasma and The Enfeebling Foe spells from the Lore of Shadows, both overcastable. Also a Lore of Life mage with Urannon's Thunderbolt, -15% miscast chance and +10 Winds of Power reserve.

Most amazing was a mage with the trait "Incendiary". It gives +100 Charge Bonus, +10 Melee Defense and Attack, +100% Weapon Strength and Flaming Attacks. If that can appear on combat lords, well.

Other than that, I noted the Lore of the Little Waaagh spell Night Shroud got changed from lowering enemy visability range and missile distance to giving one of your units Stalk (Like how Night Goblins are only visable at close range).
Also the Skaven Lore of Plague spell "Cloud of Corruption" (an area of effect damage spell centered on the caster in tabletop) has been replaced with a spell called "Pestilent Birth" which summons a unit of Plague Monks.
Skitterleap gives a unit +24% speed and Stalk, hiding the unit for 57 seconds, 114 seconds overcast.

[umiman]

CA released the High Elf trailer today. It's super spiffy in 360 so watch it on a phone for maximum entertainment.

It features High Elves doing what High Elves do best.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Get roflstomped.

[Tack]

I've found the game so far to be the XCOM 2 of TWarhammers.
They did a thing with more storyline and it's fallen flat 'cos I just want to expand and conquer, and then they threw in a bunch of cutscenes to bring me in to the story, which again don't really do anything for me.
That and now the between-turn camera pan-across is... I wouldn't say jarring, but overly showy. It's certainly gotten a lot more flair since the days of bare-bones historical sims.


Also I always thought of Morathi as being more wizened... that was not so.

[umiman]

CA decided to shut down workshop support for the next few days so mods don't interfere with crash / bug reports.

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If you guys haven't seen it, you need to see how the Grey Seer rides the Screaming Bell. It's frigging hilarious.