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[ArchAIngel]

I think they are sinking.

I still think the Total War: Warhammer... was meant to sell way more than it did, and likely the licensing fees and conditions might have... hurt them.

It's literally the best selling Total War ever.


If that's a failure condition, I'll be astonished.

Remember Tomb Raider, which sold over a million games... Was considered a commercial failure.

This is their best selling Total War by a small margin, I fully suspect they expected a lot more sales, like actually hitting that million mark.

Look up two posts, they seem to disagree.

[umiman]

I think they are sinking.

I still think the Total War: Warhammer... was meant to sell way more than it did, and likely the licensing fees and conditions might have... hurt them.

It's literally the best selling Total War ever.


If that's a failure condition, I'll be astonished.

Remember Tomb Raider, which sold over a million games... Was considered a commercial failure.

This is their best selling Total War by a small margin, I fully suspect they expected a lot more sales, like actually hitting that million mark.

TWW is the undisputed top selling game in the entire franchise and outperformed many of Sega's other games last year. It even got special mention in the entire Sega Sammy Holdings annual statement. This includes ALL their holdings such as their resorts, arcades, pachinko, Sonic, etc. It was right up there with motherfucking Persona 5, the only other major game that got mentioned at all. This is ridiculous considering the sales performance of RTS games in this day and age where the only RTSes that ever get the spotlight are XCOM and Civ.

TWW sold spectacularly. CA have even stated that their DLC for this game has sold better than entire full games of the series. Please go spread your nonsense somewhere else.

In fact, I've mentioned these facts on here several times now. But because you are Neonivek, you seem to have experienced your usual cognitive dissonance and completely forgotten about this. It's okay. I forgive you. It's cruel to harp on inferiority after all, and I am but a generous god.

[Neonivek]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

TWW is the undisputed top selling game in the entire franchise

Yes, I know this.

 

It was right up there with motherfucking Persona 5

That is kind of funny. How long has it had to get sales? How long has Persona 5 been out?

But its initial sales was 1.5 million.

W:TW was cited as 500,000 thousand.

Eventually reaching about 1.5 Mil today (If the site I look at is accurate)

To throw it in the ball park here is the total sales for Rome 2 total war: 2.5 Million (probably more, but that is just Emperor edition). Shogun 2 total war: 3 million. Empire Total War: 3.5 Million.

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Now NONE of these games required them to pay for licensing or other such fees.

What I am only saying is, I think CA actually expected to sell more than what they did and didn't earn as much on it as they might seem. Since it was licensed and an expensive game to create (Apparently the most expensive of the series if developers are to be believed)

I don't know why I am drawing this ire.

[Tack]

Because it's basically your word against CA's. They specifically said it was a resounding success beyond their wildest dreams.
Which is a strange lie to tell if you're actually haemorrhaging money.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I don't know why I am drawing this ire.

Brah. As I have oft told you, you make claims with little or no support and then people come in, refute them, and then you make comparisons to (in this case) a situation that is dissimilar (in the sense that Tomb Raider was a BIGGER risk that took Square Enix over year to recoup it's $100m budget), people get mad, then you get confused^tm about why people are mad. It is not necessarily the nature of your claims that draws the ire, and what you suggest taken objectively is possible, but the manner in which you have suggested it.

To your credit, you backed things up with some numbers (accurately, I might add)--which is appreciated--but mainly, probably, you're starting to have a bit of a reputation for sudden, potentially unfounded contrarian suggestions.

[Persus13]

Also you suddenly changed your story from Warhammer not having a million sales, to having 1.5 million sales.

So if CA did lose a lot of money on Warhammer 1, why do they have at least 5 different teams, two working on Warhammer content, and three on historical total war games? Why forge ahead with a planned trilogy if their first game failed.

Also, GW keeps licensing out the IP to tiny mobile games and random devs. Is there any reason why they would make CA pay a ridiculously large licensing fee like Neonivik's suggesting?

[umiman]

Putting Neonivek-isms aside for now, I was kinda thinking about what they would do Sagas about in Ireland.

I mean, it probably won't just be Ireland but imagine if it was.

I think some kind of iron-age tribal Total War with Celtic influences would be fairly interesting. Instead of fighting over cities and towns, we fight over simple villages. The unit list will probably be ultra boring though. Or maybe they could really take it to the next level by doing it Shin Megami Tensei style and having all the gods, dieties, and heroes show up. Guys like Cu Chulainn, Dadga, and so on showing up.

I'd totally get that. But the "historical-only" fanboys would probably go rabid if that was announced haha.

[Teneb]

Putting Neonivek-isms aside for now, I was kinda thinking about what they would do Sagas about in Ireland.

I mean, it probably won't just be Ireland but imagine if it was.

I think some kind of iron-age tribal Total War with Celtic influences would be fairly interesting. Instead of fighting over cities and towns, we fight over simple villages. The unit list will probably be ultra boring though. Or maybe they could really take it to the next level by doing it Shin Megami Tensei style and having all the gods, dieties, and heroes show up. Guys like Cu Chulainn, Dadga, and so on showing up.

I'd totally get that. But the "historical-only" fanboys would probably go rabid if that was announced haha.

It might be the viking invasion of Britain. Would make sense for the area.

[umiman]

Putting Neonivek-isms aside for now, I was kinda thinking about what they would do Sagas about in Ireland.

I mean, it probably won't just be Ireland but imagine if it was.

I think some kind of iron-age tribal Total War with Celtic influences would be fairly interesting. Instead of fighting over cities and towns, we fight over simple villages. The unit list will probably be ultra boring though. Or maybe they could really take it to the next level by doing it Shin Megami Tensei style and having all the gods, dieties, and heroes show up. Guys like Cu Chulainn, Dadga, and so on showing up.

I'd totally get that. But the "historical-only" fanboys would probably go rabid if that was announced haha.

It might be the viking invasion of Britain. Would make sense for the area.

Wasn't there a Medieval 2 campaign that did that already?

I actually wouldn't mind a more modernized version of that campaign. It was my favorite of them all in Medieval 2.

[Teneb]

Putting Neonivek-isms aside for now, I was kinda thinking about what they would do Sagas about in Ireland.

I mean, it probably won't just be Ireland but imagine if it was.

I think some kind of iron-age tribal Total War with Celtic influences would be fairly interesting. Instead of fighting over cities and towns, we fight over simple villages. The unit list will probably be ultra boring though. Or maybe they could really take it to the next level by doing it Shin Megami Tensei style and having all the gods, dieties, and heroes show up. Guys like Cu Chulainn, Dadga, and so on showing up.

I'd totally get that. But the "historical-only" fanboys would probably go rabid if that was announced haha.

It might be the viking invasion of Britain. Would make sense for the area.

Wasn't there a Medieval 2 campaign that did that already?

Nope. That was a later period. It even had Richard the Lionheart returning from the crusades and William Wallace reenacting Braveheart.

The expansion for the first Medieval was that, I think. But that's old as fuck.

EDIT: I suppose it could also be either the saxon invasion of Britain... or the norman one. Not a whole lot else happened that can be done in a total war. War of the Roses might be nice, but it has to be a period they already did.

[Neonivek]

I mean another less conspiracy related change that could have happened is a shift in CA direction, leadership, or shareholder has caused them to become very monetization heavy.

Quickly making a non-sequel. As well as a cheaper piecemeal series can work very well (Yeah it killed some games and worked well in others)

This isn't a recent development mind you, It was noticeable around Empire Total War.

[Tack]

Would be totally keen for the viking invasion as a DLC.
Faction leader Bjern Ironside, coming up.

[Majestic7]

Surtha Ek & Chariots of Doom, with ten different types of chariots and a Mad Max -style chariot driving sidegame.

[Sartain]

...where the only RTSes that ever get the spotlight are XCOM and Civ.

Both of those RTS games also stand out by virtue of actually being turnbased

As for the teaser, it would be quite interesting to see a remake of Medieval: Viking Invasion. Though I always hope for original content over yet another goddamn remake/remaster

[umiman]

Whups. You're right there. Meant strategy games.

I guess that makes Total War the last surviving bestselling RTS series eh? What with Starcraft being kinda put to the wayside these days (unless you count that thing they're trying to do with remastered Starcraft 1). Is there even anything else left?

Clash of Clans? Wargame?