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[Tack]

I have to say, I'm still pretty cut about them moving on from the old world without doing skavenblight.

It's the only remaining 'dead zone' on the map, and frankly just knowing it's there is a constant itch I can't scratch.

[Majestic7]

Legendary Heroes would be a good addition overall. It would be nice to see Gotrek and Felix, for example. (Would they be heroes for Empire? Not sure.) Maybe Gotrek as the hero and Felix as his follower.

[Mech#4]

Duel characters like that could be done as they did Skarsnik and Gobbla. Though I will say the animation for those two fighting and moving about is a little janky looking as they turn on a central point between them.

Gotrek and Felix I could see as heroes for the Empire and the Dwarves. Possibly also Bretonnia.


@Thexor: There is a lot of characters for the Vampire Counts but, well, one of their strengths in the tabletop was their characters/lords/heroes. Adding more but into seperate factions would help spread them about a bit what with Zacharias The Everliving and Queen Neferata. Though I don't know enough about the characters to really say where they could start from.


@Tack: I feel that if they add Skaven to the second game, if you own the first one you'll be able to play as the Skaven out of Skavenblight, possibly with other settlements like Hellpit near Praag. I checked the swamp area every update thinknig they might've added a little something but there's only the little ruins.

[Majestic7]

I wonder how sieges work with Skaven. After all, they wouldn't just siege normally from the outside, but assault from within, ignoring walls. Fat chance this being in the game though.

[Tack]

Skaven start with SUPER-VANGUARD DEPLOYMENT

Yeah unlikely. But there was sappers in Rome 1 so I wouldn't second-guess their ambition just yet

[Teneb]

Duel characters like that could be done as they did Skarsnik and Gobbla. Though I will say the animation for those two fighting and moving about is a little janky looking as they turn on a central point between them.

It makes a bit of sense for Skarsnik and Gobbla because they are chained to each other (even if it doesn't show in the model), but it would look awkward for others.

@Thexor: There is a lot of characters for the Vampire Counts but, well, one of their strengths in the tabletop was their characters/lords/heroes. Adding more but into seperate factions would help spread them about a bit what with Zacharias The Everliving and Queen Neferata. Though I don't know enough about the characters to really say where they could start from.

Neferata would start somewhere in the northern world's edge mountains (the ones where the dwarfs and greenskins are at). No idea where Zach would be.

[umiman]

I'm going a little farther out on a limb and hoping for Krell. Kemmler needs a little something to give him a boost - he's absolutely _dreadful_ as a legendary lord, heck he's pretty bad compared to the _generic_ VC lords, and he's quietly weeping in a corner now that Gelt got a notable boost in the last patch (general buffs to Lore of Metal plus Gelt gives a faction-wide +10 armour bonus now). Having Krell in the pipe would explain why Kemmler hasn't gotten any buffs, and there's now precedence with the Green Knight to have Legendary Heroes available.

On the flip side, people would understandably complain if the VC got yet another unique character when the Empire is sitting at 3 legendary lords and 1 start position, so... maybe it'll be Boris after all.

I don't actually understand why people keep saying Kemmler is worthless.

I get that it's a meme and people feel he's neutered without Krell, but honestly he's pretty frigging strong. Besides, you can just rename any random hero "Krell" and be done with it. That's what I did.

Campaign-wise:

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His starting units are good. Hell, I think he synchonizes way better with the Hexwraiths than any of the other guys do with their starting units. After all, unlike the Vargulf who takes frigging forever to heal and at the start of the game just constantly starts crumbling whenever there's any trouble, the Hexwraiths can be healed to full with almost no effort at all. Same with Cairn Wraiths. And they do so much goddamn damage. The only person I think has a better start is Sigvald who starts with TWO CHOSEN AND A HELLCANNON WTF.

Then there's his skills. Sure, he's basically just a slightly more powerful necromancer lord but remember than Necromancer lords have one MASSIVE bonus over Vampire Lords. They emit a passive healing ability in addition to the one you get from the Lore of Vampires. So they have two passive sources of healing. This is crazy. Especially when you combine it with wraith units who naturally have very low hp but super high defensive stats. Oh, but if you read on, you'll find that Kemmler is even better in this regard as he isn't limited to just two sources of passive healing. Oh no, this bugger has three.

So because you don't have to level anything in his combat tree as he doesn't have one, instead you're putting skills into his army tree instead, and this turns your pathetic zombie army into something slightly less pathetic at the start. But wait, read on and you'll see how he gets three bonus points to use for skills compared to Manny.

Lastly, his legendary gear is bonkers strong. Seriously, all three are some of the best in the campaign. And unlike Manny, he doesn't get a mount. Some say this is a bad thing, but I think this is perfectly fine for Kemmler. Because unlike Manny or Vlad, Kemmler can get out of jail free with his Cloak of Shadows. And his blade heals him and his army so much. So that's MORE HEALING. He heals frigging everything. Not to mention when you don't have a mount, you tend to have way higher melee defense (and way smaller hitbox) and can survive longer in battles. The biggest benefit of not having a mount however, is that you don't have to waste valuable skillpoints into mount options. You know how if you want to get a dragon for Manny, you have to get the horse, then the flying horse, and then the dragon? Welp, here you can toss all of it into your army instead.

Sure he's not an individually powerful lord, but unlike say.... Balthasar Gelt, Kemmler turns his entire army into immortal gods.

In my legendary VC campaign, Kemmler ended up being my most powerful lord, way above everyone else, even though he was lower level than Manny. He went into battle against Archaeon and the rest of his dudes on legendary difficulty and barely lost anyone even while outnumbered 2 to 1. Frigging legendary difficulty. You try doing that with Ghorst or Manny.

Playing with Kemmler is really no different than playing with Sigvald. They're both individually not that powerful, but they're more about buffing their armies than themselves.. And their start is so much easier than everyone else's due to way better units. Though unlike Sigvald, Kemmler sounds like some kind of cheesy evil minion rather than a cool badass.

Skirmish-wise:

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Kemmler is cheap and has legendary gear. Only problem is he's not maneuverable and super susceptible to lord sniping.

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By the way, there's a "leak" of Warhammer 2 on 4chan and Reddit but Grace_CA is disputing it somewhat. Sounds suspect anyway since I highly doubt CA would make frigging Estalia a pre-order DLC bonus. Who the fuck cares about Estalia. Also the leak leaves no room for DLC, which is what makes me doubt it the most.

[Tack]

I think sigvald ends up having some of the best combat-monster stats in the game though.
Maybe Vlad is better now but I recall Sigvald being way up on top at the start.

[umiman]

I think sigvald ends up having some of the best combat-monster stats in the game though.
Maybe Vlad is better now but I recall Sigvald being way up on top at the start.

Yeah, Sigvald is really good 1v1. Also his gear turns him into an absolute monster with the passive regen.

He has really, really poor AOE damage though so it takes him awhile to clear through units, unlike the other Chaos lords. But because he's a regular model and no mount, he lives longer than them.

Kemmler is just about the neverending regen, though he does have that +75% physical resistance on the cloak or something like that. He also does have all the lore of vampires spells at his disposal anyway such as wind of death.

It got nerfed super hard though, due to there now being a regen cap on units.

[Teneb]

I think sigvald ends up having some of the best combat-monster stats in the game though.
Maybe Vlad is better now but I recall Sigvald being way up on top at the start.

Yeah, Sigvald is really good 1v1. Also his gear turns him into an absolute monster with the passive regen.

He has really, really poor AOE damage though so it takes him awhile to clear through units, unlike the other Chaos lords. But because he's a regular model and no mount, he lives longer than them.

Kemmler is just about the neverending regen, though he does have that +75% physical resistance on the cloak or something like that. He also does have all the lore of vampires spells at his disposal anyway such as wind of death.

It got nerfed super hard though, due to there now being a regen cap on units.

Sigvald also has good leadership, which helps a lot with keeping trolls in the fight.

On your recommendation, I took Kemmler for a spin. Turns out that putting him in the middle of a zombie unit is pretty great for keeping him alive, especially when he is low level. Just keep in mind that he'll be slowed down by his zombie bunker.

[ZebioLizard2]

I get that it's a meme and people feel he's neutered without Krell, but honestly he's pretty frigging strong. Besides, you can just rename any random hero "Krell" and be done with it. That's what I did.

The only issue is that Kemmler (Not sure if it's been fixed) started with lower stats then your basic necromancer and took several levelups just to become par, which is strangely weak.

[Mech#4]

I believe peoples issues with Kemmlar was because he didn't add much that was different from a Master Necromancer or a hero Necromancer. The healing over time wasn't considered as useful as it was when the heal-cap was implemented and spell wise most of the benefits of being a master involve shorter cool downs on spells (which may be somewhat useful but I never put a second point into spells on the skill tree). On his skill trees, I don't think he's got any unique skills other than the three quest items.

His two unique bonuses as a lord are -25% to raise dead and -15% upkeep for Necromancers. Useful but when compared to things like Vlads army-wide vanguard or Ghorst giving his army poison attacks it's not really as impressive.

[Majestic7]

I found Vlad's vanguard ability to be extremely good, since the deaaaad lack ranged weapons and so forth. It makes the melee start all the sooner, which is usually to the zed hordes advantage. In that sense, I think it is the best LL ability in the game.

I finally gave a spin to Chaos. Is there any point in kicking around the Norscans but exp and loot? It seems that the awakened tribes just start fighting each other, forcing you to choose between them... which is pretty stupid. They should become vassals and vassals should be unable to fight each other. Any mods fixing this? I'm not surprised that a Total War sucks regarding diplomacy and such, tho. It is weird how no matter how many iterations of the game we have, CA is totally unable to make it even work in a basic way.

[umiman]

I finally gave a spin to Chaos. Is there any point in kicking around the Norscans but exp and loot? It seems that the awakened tribes just start fighting each other, forcing you to choose between them... which is pretty stupid. They should become vassals and vassals should be unable to fight each other. Any mods fixing this? I'm not surprised that a Total War sucks regarding diplomacy and such, tho. It is weird how no matter how many iterations of the game we have, CA is totally unable to make it even work in a basic way.

The Chaos early campaign sucks super ultra dick. I usually just autoresolve most of it.

What you want to do is make enough for a sizable army of warriors or Chosen, and then go roflstomp through Kislev and the Empire. It's way, way way more fun. Fighting the goddamn horse skirmishers of Norsca is ultra boring.

I never really bother awakening tribes either. It's a waste of time.

If there's any mods I'd recommend for Chaos campaign, I'd get the one that removes horde infighting. It's just stupid. Also get the one that gives Chaos rifts a passive Chaos corruption spread.

As for the campaign itself, I recommend you completely skip the marauder line of garbage and go straight for Warriors. Hell, just straight up delete your marauder building so you get more growth and money.

This is one of the reasons why I said Sigvald and Kemmler are way more powerful than their stats would suggest. Because their starting units are so much better. Sigvald starts with two Chosen and a Hellcannon. Heck, you don't even need to wait for sieges with him as you can attack straight away. And every single battle involves the enemy coming to you instead of you having to go to them (super important versus Norsca). Chosen roflstomp everything. Sigvald himself can just waltz into combat and just cleanse the filth no problem.

With the other two you kinda need to farm for better units and the hellcannon.

[Majestic7]

Yeah, I actually started with Sigvald and destroyed the marauder building, instead getting forsaken and a sorcerer first. Forsaken don't seem too good, but better than marauders. Now I got chosen, which is nice. Still kept marauder horsemen since I don't have other cavalry, tho. I think I'll get the quest items and then go south.

I guess I'm strange at Total War, but I actually like having allies fighting with me. It feels like I'm not the only one doing everything. In that sense, Chaos gameplay with assembled tribes and only running a couple of stacks myself seems interesting on paper. I suppose I've been spoiled by Paradox ally system though, when with CA this intention just frustrates me.