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SirWilliamIII

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Armor Equip Order
« on: January 13, 2015, 06:36:45 pm »

Hello,

I am having problems with my military dwarves concerning their equiping behaviour. I currently have 5 legendary Hammer Lords and more than enough masterwork pieces of every kind of iron armor, but I can't seem to get my dwarves to
equip the items.

What I am asking for is a list with the correct order, meaning that if I'd use that specific order in my uniforms, it would work. I've read that a dwarf can actually equip 3 mail shirts, and other items aswell of which they can wear multiple items a time. Also, is it necessary to order my dwarves to replace their clothing, or do I ask them to put the armor over it? I currently have them set on replace as that fixed my helmets issue.

Thanks in advance,
William
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Re: Armor Equip Order
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2015, 06:40:33 pm »

Set them to replace their clothes, and make sure it is set for each dwarf. Also, you can only equip 3 mail shirts in adventure mode, 6 cloaks etc...

Leather armor seems a bit buggy, as your dwarves won't prefer leather armor over say a leather tunic.
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Re: Armor Equip Order
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2015, 06:50:40 pm »

You want to set it inside layer out.

So start with the most basal layer first, or otherwise what you consider more important to wear first.

In general, dwarves will wear up to:
-2 socks, 1 boot (skip the socks)
-1 loincloth, 2 trousers, 1 legging/greaves (skip the loincloth)
-1 shirt, 1 mail shirt, 1 breastplate.  (skip the shirt, and you can substitute the breastplate for another mail shirt if you want)
-1 glove pair, 1 gauntlet pair (or 2 gloves)\
-3 cloaks
-1 helm, 6 hoods (or 1 cap/facecover 6 hoods)

For optimal asskicking:
-1 boot
-trousers, greaves/leggings
-1 glove, 1 gauntlet
-1 mail shirt, 1 breastplate
-cloaks
-helmet and then hoods.
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SirWilliamIII

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Re: Armor Equip Order
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 02:49:11 am »

Thanks alot.

I will try this and see if my dwarves will finally reclaim their sense and equip themselves with the armor I have ready for them.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2015, 03:09:02 am »

In my experience, dwarves don't respect changes to their uniform while on active duty. Setting them to inactive may help, but I usually just disband and reform the squad.

Leather armor seems a bit buggy, as your dwarves won't prefer leather armor over say a leather tunic.

That's because any upper body piece counts as "armor". You need to set them to use "leather armor" in the upper body screen, not just "armor" with material "leather" (to be on the safe side, set the material as well, resulting in "leather leather armor").
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Re: Armor Equip Order
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2015, 03:19:20 am »

Also, you can only equip 3 mail shirts in adventure mode, 6 cloaks etc...
I know from personal experience that you can definitely successfully order your military to wear 3 mail shirts and they will. The same rules apply to armor in adventurer mode as in fortress mode so there's no reason that would happen anyway.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 03:29:38 am »

Also, you can only equip 3 mail shirts in adventure mode, 6 cloaks etc...
I know from personal experience that you can definitely successfully order your military to wear 3 mail shirts and they will. The same rules apply to armor in adventurer mode as in fortress mode so there's no reason that would happen anyway.

So if I'd want my dwarves to equip those items, would the list be like this?
- cloak
- cloak
- cloak
- mail shirt
- mail shirt
- breastplate

And for helmets
- hood
- hood
- hood
- helmet

It seems that cloaks and other types of clothing are quite necessary as my legendary Hammerlord has just lost his left eye due to a wooden training spear. Another unfortunate one lost his left ear. All of this happened as soon as I set my dwarves to replace their clothing, causing them to only equip their armor, without any clothing underneath as I didn't ask them to do so.
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Re: Armor Equip Order
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 03:36:43 am »

Also, you can only equip 3 mail shirts in adventure mode, 6 cloaks etc...
I know from personal experience that you can definitely successfully order your military to wear 3 mail shirts and they will. The same rules apply to armor in adventurer mode as in fortress mode so there's no reason that would happen anyway.

So if I'd want my dwarves to equip those items, would the list be like this?
- cloak
- cloak
- cloak
- mail shirt
- mail shirt
- breastplate

And for helmets
- hood
- hood
- hood
- helmet

It seems that cloaks and other types of clothing are quite necessary as my legendary Hammerlord has just lost his left eye due to a wooden training spear. Another unfortunate one lost his left ear. All of this happened as soon as I set my dwarves to replace their clothing, causing them to only equip their armor, without any clothing underneath as I didn't ask them to do so.
I've never gone into ordering military to wear clothes, but I think I can make a good guess. I also didn't actually know that the order you designate them in the list matters, but if it does then I know enough about the other mechanics to figure it out. The whole thing with equipping cloakcs is based off of how they have a very high layer permit at 150, but mail shirts and breastplates are at 50. This means you want the metal armor to be equipped first because otherwise they're going to be putting the cloaks on putting the layer size above 50 so when they finally get to the armor they can't wear it. Also it would be three mail shirts not two, unless you feelan extra cloak is more useful than an extra chainmail. Anyway, I think the same idea applies to all armor where the clothing has a higher layer limit so the armor should be put on first. Also despite being able to wear mail shirts and breastplates, you can't wear chain leggings and greaves.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 04:01:13 am »

Also, you can only equip 3 mail shirts in adventure mode, 6 cloaks etc...
I know from personal experience that you can definitely successfully order your military to wear 3 mail shirts and they will. The same rules apply to armor in adventurer mode as in fortress mode so there's no reason that would happen anyway.

So if I'd want my dwarves to equip those items, would the list be like this?
- cloak
- cloak
- cloak
- mail shirt
- mail shirt
- breastplate

And for helmets
- hood
- hood
- hood
- helmet

It seems that cloaks and other types of clothing are quite necessary as my legendary Hammerlord has just lost his left eye due to a wooden training spear. Another unfortunate one lost his left ear. All of this happened as soon as I set my dwarves to replace their clothing, causing them to only equip their armor, without any clothing underneath as I didn't ask them to do so.
I've never gone into ordering military to wear clothes, but I think I can make a good guess. I also didn't actually know that the order you designate them in the list matters, but if it does then I know enough about the other mechanics to figure it out. The whole thing with equipping cloakcs is based off of how they have a very high layer permit at 150, but mail shirts and breastplates are at 50. This means you want the metal armor to be equipped first because otherwise they're going to be putting the cloaks on putting the layer size above 50 so when they finally get to the armor they can't wear it. Also it would be three mail shirts not two, unless you feelan extra cloak is more useful than an extra chainmail. Anyway, I think the same idea applies to all armor where the clothing has a higher layer limit so the armor should be put on first. Also despite being able to wear mail shirts and breastplates, you can't wear chain leggings and greaves.

Allright. Thanks for your help.

Thinking of the what you just said it actually makes sense. I hope my dwarves will think the same.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 06:19:57 am »

They are dorfs, of course they wont do what you want to do...
I got around it once by telling them to replace clothing, and then adding a weapon to it, they went to get their copper studded iron battleaxes, and then decided to equip the bloody armour
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2015, 01:13:49 am »

I equip the melee soldiers with, replacing clothing:

metal helm

plant fiber armor
metal chain mail shirt
metal breastplate

metal gauntlets

plant fiber legwear
metal greaves

plant fiber socks
metal high boots

wooden shield

weapon

Marksdwarves just have a chain mail shirt over clothing, but I might give them helms and high boots too.

The extra plant leather items act to prevent nudity unhappiness in case there is a shortage of metal armor. Dwarf Therapist's Military-Alt section is a great way to see the status of your dwarves' armor.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 01:37:08 am »

When you say assigned in this order, please clarify.

Is this the order in which they are made to appear in the uniform assignment?  Or is a uniform assigned, wait for units to grab the given item, uniform changed to include next successive item, wait for units to grab the NEXT item, lather, rinse, repeat?

Ideally the former and the latter would have the same results, but this being dwarf fortress I suppose it's best not to make that assumption. I just did up a uniform, which I titled "Basic Kit," and on this uniform I assigned the following items:
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I might have the equipment order wrong for some of the other items (for proper layering concerns), since this is from memory rather than from referencing the game; but, the point is that the shields are listed first, then the crossbows, then the axes. Once you have created your uniform, make sure to set it to (r)eplace civilian clothes, and then select the squad to which you want to assign this uniform. Hit (e)quip once that squad is selected, then hit Assign (U)niforms; then, select any dwarf in the squad; then, select the particular uniform, in my example, "Default Kit," and then hit Shift+Enter to assign that uniform to the entire squad. As you point out, there are concerns that the equipment might not get put on in the right order for any number of reasons: Urist McAxelord might put on part of his uniform, then suddenly decide to take a nap, or whatever. My response here isn't about how to make sure that the dwarfs wear the equipment in the right order: it is to tell you the right order that the equipment needs to be worn in order for you to get the results you want.

The short and simple version here is that, on your dwarf's inventory screen, the shields should appear above the crossbows, and the crossbow should appear above the battle axes. Once you have your dwarfs equipped such, they will alternate between using their battle axes, shield bashes, kicks, bites, and crossbow bashes in melee, with significant preference given to the battle axes. A quick way to see if you've equipped your dwarfs correctly, without going through the headache of checking the order of every individual item, is to have one of them go into a danger room and just wait a bit to see whether he becomes an Axedwarf/Axe Lord or a Hammerdwarf/Hammerlord. Equipped the right way, dwarfs will gain skill in both Axe and Hammer, but will gain skill in Axe faster than Hammer.

If you really want to be super sure that you did things right, click the spoiler for a step by step guide.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 03:45:22 am »

I really would not bother with giving the military clothing and just use armor instead. Otherwise any time a slightly better piece of clothing is created, all of your military will be running to the stockpile to get a slightly better sock, drastically lowering training time. If a weapon can pierce a steel breastplate, the pig tail fibre tunic won't be much more help.
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