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em1LL

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How do you use clay
« on: January 11, 2015, 06:19:30 pm »

Hi all!

How do you use clay? I mean what you do with clay when you have a lot of wood and stones?

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2015, 06:30:03 pm »

First, clay must be gathered from a clay floor tile. You need a kiln or magma kiln, a dwarf with the pottery labour, and you need to designate one or more clay floor tiles with as a clay gathering zone. Once all these exist, you can order clay collection through the workshop or manager interface which will produce clay boulders that will be stored in stock stockpiles by default. A single clay floor tile will provide an indefinite supply of clay. Once you have some clay boulders, they can be turned into crafts, statues, jugs, large pots, used in construction of workshops and walls, etc., again by creating jobs from the workshop or manager interface.

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 06:31:21 pm »

Not much, really. Kaolinite is a good source of medium-quality statues, crafts and pots, but that's about it.

Since chances are you would build your kiln on clay floor, you can avoid hauling rocks to workshop. You can also make infinite crafts from air if you have magma, since clay is infinite and so would be your fuel. Personally, I find it convenient to have as much production lines as possible. This way I can provide metal chests, beds, rock doors, glass cabinets and clay statues at the same time.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2015, 06:37:42 pm »

First, clay must be gathered from a clay floor tile. You need a kiln or magma kiln, a dwarf with the pottery labour, and you need to designate one or more clay floor tiles with as a clay gathering zone. Once all these exist, you can order clay collection through the workshop or manager interface which will produce clay boulders that will be stored in stock stockpiles by default. A single clay floor tile will provide an indefinite supply of clay. Once you have some clay boulders, they can be turned into crafts, statues, jugs, large pots, used in construction of workshops and walls, etc., again by creating jobs from the workshop or manager interface.

I asked in which cases do you prefer to use clay instead of wood and stones.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 06:51:46 pm »

I asked in which cases do you prefer to use clay instead of wood and stones.

I use them to build high towers because they are free.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 06:55:32 pm »

Personally, I use clay for making statues and beehives. Stone can be used instead, but it's nice to keep jobs like that away from the craftsdwarf workshops where I have bone, stone and shell being constantly carved into crafts and pots...

Another less common use of clay is as a direct building material. It is treated like any other rock boulder for construction (can't make clay blocks though, only kiln-fired bricks) so you effectively have an infinite supply of building material if you want to save your stone (presumably before they've been made into blocks) and logs for something else... Just put "collect clay" on repeat and build to your heart's desire...

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 08:45:19 pm »

Personally, I use clay for making statues and beehives. Stone can be used instead, but it's nice to keep jobs like that away from the craftsdwarf workshops where I have bone, stone and shell being constantly carved into crafts and pots...

Another less common use of clay is as a direct building material. It is treated like any other rock boulder for construction (can't make clay blocks though, only kiln-fired bricks) so you effectively have an infinite supply of building material if you want to save your stone (presumably before they've been made into blocks) and logs for something else... Just put "collect clay" on repeat and build to your heart's desire...

To clarify, he means using the unfired clay boulder.  You order the clay collected at the kiln, but then just directly build out of the lump instead of turning it into a clay brick.  There is nothing stopping you from turning them into clay bricks first, and indeed they will be much lighter and easier to haul if you do.  This takes an additionally job and use of fuel, however.

For the OP... kaolinite and fire clay turn into water-proof containers.  Kaolinite (porcelain) is the same value as silver actually (10) so makes decent statues (which can be further glazed) if you lack any high-grade metals.  Even normal clay statues (earthenware) have a value equal to obsidian (triple all stone, 50% more than flux).  They can also be glazed for a further value increase on top of normal decorating.  One final note for clay is its light weight.  Stone pots are still fairly heavy, which when fully loaded and carried by a weak dorf will slow him down considerably.  However, clay pots are much lighter than stone (usually half if not more).  They are still heavier than wood, though.  Clay can also be freely traded to the elves (but so can stone).

All told, ceramics is a luxury industry.  It can't really do anything that other industries cannot, and is mostly used for mid-value products.  However, it requires fuel and cannot make a fraction of the objects glass can.  Rock crystals are the same price as porcelain, but porcelain is eaiser to make (and in larger quantities).  Generally, I'll won't set up a ceramics industry until I have access to either magma or massive amounts of lignite/bituminous coal.  Using up a log of wood to make a unit of charcoal to fire up even a stoneware pot is a waste, when you could have just gone straight to making a (lighter) barrel out of the same log.  If you are using standard clay its even worse- you'd need to sacrifice another unit of wood for the ash needed to glaze the pot (otherwise it can't hold booze). 

The best use for ceramics is a replacement for high-value metals in decorating your fort.  However, it has the same value as iron and is far cheaper than steel, but if you lack any useful metals then you likely aren't using iron/steel for decorating (whatever you trade for goes right to military).  Stoneware/porcelain pots can be used as lightweight alternatives to stone pots, but require the use of fuel.  Otherwise, clay boulders are a cheap endless building material for megaprojects. Again, its kinda a novelty/luxury industry.  Nothing you can do with clay can't be done somewhere else (usually better).  Clay furniture? nope.  High-value statues? Porcelain is 1/3 the value of gold.  Containers? Needs fuel and usually glaze. 
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 10:50:20 pm »

To clarify, glaze is required to store liquids in an earthenware (but not stoneware or porcelain) container. I mostly use clay to build aboveground constructions because it is infinite, lightweight, and aesthetically pleasing. I imagine it looks something like rammed earth.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2015, 11:05:00 pm »

To clarify, glaze is required to store liquids in an earthenware (but not stoneware or porcelain) container. I mostly use clay to build aboveground constructions because it is infinite, lightweight, and aesthetically pleasing. I imagine it looks something like rammed earth.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2015, 03:53:36 am »

I use fire clay for large stoneware pot, as it is as light as a wooden barrel, but with more capacity.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2015, 09:09:22 am »

First, clay must be gathered from a clay floor tile. You need a kiln or magma kiln, a dwarf with the pottery labour, and you need to designate one or more clay floor tiles with as a clay gathering zone. Once all these exist, you can order clay collection through the workshop or manager interface which will produce clay boulders that will be stored in stock stockpiles by default. A single clay floor tile will provide an indefinite supply of clay. Once you have some clay boulders, they can be turned into crafts, statues, jugs, large pots, used in construction of workshops and walls, etc., again by creating jobs from the workshop or manager interface.

I asked in which cases do you prefer to use clay instead of wood and stones.

I am a dumb sometimes. :-[

I personally like to maximize value where possible, so I only make from (fire) clay the things which they cause to be more expensive than other materials: bricks for constructed walls where value is not a chief concern (i.e., general construction in the caverns or mines as opposed to part of an important room), hives, jugs, pots.

I arrive at this conclusion by basically following a flowchart for generating excess utility and wealth once the current needs of my fortress are met.

Weapons grade metals; i.e., adamantine, silver, and steel, are made into extra armour and weapons as befit their type; i.e., adamantine battle axes and mail shirts, silver maces and warhammers, and steel plate; in the event that I have twice as much arms and armour as needed by my military, then I will start using excess silver and steel to create large, serrated disks and spiked balls. Weapons-grade bronze becomes trap components; copper in excess of bronze-making becomes crossbows and bolts. I never use adamantine for anything but battle axes, flexible armour, and if I've filled all of those requirements then I will make adamantine clothes exclusively for military use.

Non-weapons grade metals are used in excess to make flasks and goblets. Aluminum and platinum are special cases: I reserve aluminum for making furniture in important rooms; i.e., armour stands and weapon racks in the barracks, that sort of thing; and, I reserve a small stockpile of platinum near a forge exclusively in the hope of getting platinum maces or warhammers from moods. Everything else is just training fodder.

Stone is used primarily for mechanisms. Non-important furniture is made from stone, like most fortresses.

Wood is used for necessary beds, minecarts, and wheelbarrows; excess is turned into spiked balls.

Glass becomes the primary furniture material once I get a magma furnace, and until legendary skill my glass makers are always churning out large, serrated disks and spiked balls.

And finally we reach clay. I never go through the effort of making anything but green glass, so ceramics are more valuable for the aforementioned bricks, hives, jugs, and if I have fire clay then also pots.
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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 10:52:04 am »

I use clay for training jewelcrafters. Infinite resource = infinite training material.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2015, 02:15:29 pm »

I use clay for training jewelcrafters. Infinite resource = infinite training material.

The free-to-collect clay boulders can actually be cut into gems at a jeweler's workshop.  Really not sure how this is supposed to work >.> Its raining and my jewelry is melting! These boulders can't be used in a stone fall traps and/or catapult ammo... keep forgetting which.

As far as wealth... sadly we cannot make clay furniture.  Stoneware is twice as valuable as green glass.  So clay is strong enough to build structures out of.  We can build furniture-like objects like clay-hives and giant detailed statues.  But an armor-stand? Pssshhhh that would be ridiculous! A Table!? MWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA that's silly.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2015, 02:31:47 pm »

Clay's pretty nice as a valuable material that's plentiful. It's easy enough to ash glaze clay and it makes for a nicely valued item.

It's good for statues in forts without access to a large amount of metal.

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Re: How do you use clay
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2015, 11:56:28 pm »



Tragically I haven't been able to find it in the stock screen.   I think one of the dwarves stole it and is hiding it under his/her bed.
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