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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1587090 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19545 on: June 14, 2016, 05:47:08 am »

Anyway, Trump has revocated the press credentials of the Washington Post Not really a friend of an adversarial press our Trump. He might not be the next Hitler, but he does give off a "next Orban" vibe.
Can't he be arrested and put in jail for that, on charges of damaging democracy by denying free press?
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« Reply #19546 on: June 14, 2016, 05:56:49 am »

No, he has no obligation to allow them into his private events. He isn't President yet, mind you, and they also kind of deserve it.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19547 on: June 14, 2016, 06:13:39 am »

Anyway, Trump has revocated the press credentials of the Washington Post Not really a friend of an adversarial press our Trump. He might not be the next Hitler, but he does give off a "next Orban" vibe.
Can't he be arrested and put in jail for that, on charges of damaging democracy by denying free press?

There's an xkcd for this.

And I'm pretty sure even if he was President he could tell members of the press to fuck off if he found them deeply objectionable. He just couldn't systematically persecute, arrest and put them on the breaking wheel for it.

E: Furthermore, "damaging democracy" sounds like exactly the kind of charge you'd use if you were a dictator aiming to dispose of someone.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19548 on: June 14, 2016, 06:35:50 am »

I dunno. It's a quite normal charge here. If you are caught bribing people's votes during election time, you'll be charged with it.
Or if you set fire to a mayor's car after threatening him about a policy, you'll not only face arson charges, but also damaging democracy charges.
Similarily, banning whatever official press representative from a public meeting would get your ass sued. Emphasis on public though. Press can't just barge into a private party.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19549 on: June 14, 2016, 06:42:53 am »

Half our police don't carry guns, Bobbies with guns are very rare. I've only ever seen them occasionally patrolling major transport hubs, government buildings and central London landmarks in times of heightened security (usually every Brussels or Paris). Plus you've also got to remember we're the world's largest surveillance state, where everything is watched

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19550 on: June 14, 2016, 07:43:29 am »

I dislike Trump, but I'll even admit that the press tends to go hard on him, cherry picking quotes, leaving out context, just plain insulting him. I'd get fed up with it too. The list of press that he's banned isn't exactly picked from the shining examples of integrity.

There's a difference between saying "No, you can't come to my party." and "No, you don't have a voice."
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« Reply #19551 on: June 14, 2016, 11:00:40 am »

I dislike Trump, but I'll even admit that the press tends to go hard on him, cherry picking quotes, leaving out context, just plain insulting him.

I disagree.  The press has treated him with kid gloves.  The reason he comes off so badly is that the small fraction of his gross incompetance they leave in is still far worse then most humans.
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« Reply #19552 on: June 14, 2016, 11:18:18 am »

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19553 on: June 14, 2016, 11:19:27 am »

Oh carp.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19554 on: June 14, 2016, 11:30:35 am »

Someone enlighten me: what does DNC stand for Departmen of National... what?
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« Reply #19555 on: June 14, 2016, 11:36:06 am »

Someone enlighten me: what does DNC stand for Departmen of National... what?
Democratic National Committee. It's the Democratic party's leadership.

E: fixed quote.
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« Reply #19556 on: June 14, 2016, 11:40:16 am »

Someone enlighten me: what does DNC stand for Departmen of National... what?
Democratic National Committee. It's the Democratic party's leadership.
Fixed your quote. Also wow. That is indeed a fuck-up of massive proportions.
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« Reply #19557 on: June 14, 2016, 11:43:07 am »

Article also mentions that one of the two groups is the same that did this:
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« Reply #19558 on: June 14, 2016, 11:57:04 am »

Oh shit, this one is big. The Rooskies got into the DNC's servers and got away with pretty much everything they wanted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19559 on: June 14, 2016, 12:06:48 pm »

Not even Russian analysts can figure what the fuck is going on in America

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