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[mainiac]

Muawiyah?  A loser.  You call that a schism?  If Trump started a schism it would last a lot longer then 1000 years and kill a lot more people.

[Orange Wizard]

Trump backs out of Sanders debate.

Dammit

"If you're in first place, you don't want to really debate a guy who's in second place," Trump said.

Geez why does he gotta be such a dork

[Loud Whispers]

"If you're in first place, you don't want to really debate a guy who's in second place," Trump said.

Geez why does he gotta be such a dork

Spoiler: and you know how I feel about dorks (click to show/hide)

Muawiyah?  A loser.  You call that a schism?  If Trump started a schism it would last a lot longer then 1000 years and kill a lot more people.

Muawiyah was a nimble navigator, and one of the things I was referencing most pertinently here was how Caliph Ali decided to negotiate with Muawiyah. By negotiating with Muawiyah, he lowered his own status as Caliph to governor, whilst Muawiyah went from being governor to the guy who just forced the Caliph to negotiate - even though Caliph Ali had other options. It gave Muawiyah all the legitimacy he needed to cement his power whilst it ignited rebellion for Ali.
In this sense Trump has made a killing by slaughtering the incompetent establishment candidates, but that was whilst he was on the offence and not defending his authority. Now he's running on top he can't make any mortal mistakes, and he can't get point at someone else and say they're worse - now he stands centre stage alone.
If he accepted this debate, what would he gain? If he won this debate and slaughtered Bernie Sanders, he will have lowered himself to debating with the 2nd place senator who has little chance at victory - it will be an empty victory, with the greatest victor being Bernie Sanders. If he loses then he will have just been defeated by the 2nd place senator, the defeat will be altogether real and Bernie Sanders will have twice the victory. It's pointless victory or lose for Trump, win or win for Bernie, so the only way to win is to not play. CNBC believe such a debate would be Hillary's worst nightmare realised, whilst it may give her a headache she's el teflon juan and there's not much else you can do to lower her strength besides get her arrested for cheeki email shenanigens of buff up Bill's lolita express bonanza, so it'd be making a strong opponent to possibly weaken another at great potential risk to their own campaign. Cost to benefit seems poor

Never go full Muawiyah when other options are available

[penguinofhonor]

Bernie Panders enters a rally to DMX's "Where the Hood At"

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bernie Panders enters a rally to DMX's "Where the Hood At"

I would say "is this real life or is this just fantasy" but the whole fucking world has gone crazy and we're already through our supply of that for 2016.

[Loud Whispers]

You know thinking about it, in the event of some god-tier flawless victory in Trump vs Sanders, even that would do Trump more harm than good, since it'd ensure Clinton a guaranteed victory without making anyone salty as fuck

Bernie Panders enters a rally to DMX's "Where the Hood At"

I would say "is this real life or is this just fantasy" but the whole fucking world has gone crazy and we're already through our supply of that for 2016.

It has only begun

[Playergamer]

The amount of entitlement from Sanderistas is amazing. Be happy Teflon Don got the media to acknowledge Sanders exists.

[Frumple]

Hey man, you know the saying.*"If you content yourself with crumbs, you will never grasp steak." *That I just made up.

[Rolan7]

I just hope that Sanders supporters see this and don't give Trump their votes.  I do know people who were considering that.  Trump actually had a lot to win in the general election by doing this, but he knew he couldn't win those votes in a fair fight.  So he's hoping to get them by default.

I totally understand writing in Sanders, or Tzeentch, or a real third-party option...

Maybe I'm overstating this, it's just that I really like Sanders and I hate that we won't get to see him and Trump debate ):

[Loud Whispers]

Hey man, you know the saying.*"If you content yourself with crumbs, you will never grasp steak." *That I just made up.

I've spent life content with rice and breadcrumbs and I've still had a few steaks in my life, I don't understand this saying
It's not particularly even a prize worth being discontent over
In addition, being discontent does not help you grasp steak. If you are on a diet of crumbs and hunger for steak, the one who is discontent for it will be controlled by their hunger whilst the one who can think about the process of gaining steak will not be addled by hunger
Paradoxically the one who hungers for the steak is less likely to attain steak at a cost that is worth it. In this same manner those who shop on hungry stomachs will not find their future meals to be as wholesome and valuable as those who shop on full stomachs and focused minds

I just hope that Sanders supporters see this and don't give Trump their votes.  I do know people who were considering that.  Trump actually had a lot to win in the general election by doing this, but he knew he couldn't win those votes in a fair fight.  So he's hoping to get them by default.

But by entering this fight, if he won he'd make Hillary stronger and if he lost he'd make himself weaker, and if this was equal then he'd lose and Bernie rise up top, that doesn't sound like picking a fair fight - especially since the Sanders strategy is to use Trump as a platform to attack Hillary in California, this fight isn't even one where the contender would be present ;D

I totally understand writing in Sanders, or Tzeentch, or a real third-party option...
Maybe I'm overstating this, it's just that I really like Sanders and I hate that we won't get to see him and Trump debate ):

It could still happen for reals when the situation changes. Prolly best bets are for a 3 way debate between Don-Bern-Hill on a level playing field

Plus you're not factoring in the power of the HYPE train. HYPE cannot be derailed easily

[Shadowlord]

LW is right, if I shop while hungry I end up buying junk food.

... Also, I don't like steak. #heretic

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah steak is one of those foods I only eat if someone offers to me because I don't want to seem impolite, proper 2Hindu4u
Except for the times I eat steak but you know, details

Also your lizard brain may be wired wrong side up, or reverse ways? It is possible that hunger is making you more powerful

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I hate steak, does this mean I used to be a deva?

[Baffler]

I hate steak, does this mean I used to be a deva?

I wouldn't say I hate it, but I'm not the least bit excited about it. The mushrooms stuffed with cheese typically served with it around here are much better IMO.

[Rolan7]

Steak always upsets my stomach and gets in my teeth, maybe because I'm used to eating fish with occasional chicken.  If I even bother, beans are life.
_{Sausage is delicious but that's a lazy treat}

A bit of pot roast at holidays is pretty tasty though.  Hours of cooking makes (even cheap) beef almost not tough and stringy (: