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[sluissa]

I expect scorched earth opposition from the Republicans and I think Clinton is someone who wont crack under pressure.  She has felt the full front of their hatred many times before and has never so much as blinked.  It almost has me curious as to how they will react to her.  Their only strategy during the past two democratic presidencies has been to be as vicious and nasty as possible and they already know that they can't get under her skin.

She also has some nice policies but it's mostly the fighter thing.

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[smjjames]

I expect scorched earth opposition from the Republicans and I think Clinton is someone who wont crack under pressure.  She has felt the full front of their hatred many times before and has never so much as blinked.  It almost has me curious as to how they will react to her.  Their only strategy during the past two democratic presidencies has been to be as vicious and nasty as possible and they already know that they can't get under her skin.

She also has some nice policies but it's mostly the fighter thing.

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I don't get it.

Anyway, protestors just about rioted at a Trump rally last night. I certainly hope that we don't have nationwide riots if Trump happens to become president.

I just about fully expect there to be mass protests at the white house a lot though.

[Frumple]

Wouldn't be much of a surprise, at least. The real question is who'd be doing the protesting, though, since no one seems quite sure what the hell the guy'd actually do in office. Could be he ends up pissing off the base he riled up more than the opposition.

It could end up with crypto-fascists and what counts for the left in the US protesting side by side against the same person, even, which might be interesting.

[sluissa]

I expect scorched earth opposition from the Republicans and I think Clinton is someone who wont crack under pressure.  She has felt the full front of their hatred many times before and has never so much as blinked.  It almost has me curious as to how they will react to her.  Their only strategy during the past two democratic presidencies has been to be as vicious and nasty as possible and they already know that they can't get under her skin.

She also has some nice policies but it's mostly the fighter thing.

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I don't get it.

Anyway, protestors just about rioted at a Trump rally last night. I certainly hope that we don't have nationwide riots if Trump happens to become president.

I just about fully expect there to be mass protests at the white house a lot though.

mainiac is a stubborn, fighty person, makes sense he'd pick the stubborn, fighty candidate.

[PTTG??]

I don't get it.

Anyway, protestors just about rioted at a Trump rally last night. I certainly hope that we don't have nationwide riots if Trump happens to become president.

I just about fully expect there to be mass protests at the white house a lot though.

I certainly hope we do have nationwide riots if Trump becomes president. He's a subhuman scumbag who can only win by accruing the votes of other scumbags.

Looking back at that, maybe I could edit it to be a little gentler, but no, I think I'll play it as it lays.

[Baffler]

He's a subhuman scumbag who can only win by accruing the votes of other scumbags.

Just like everyone else you disagree with, right?

This hysteria surrounding Trump reminds me very much of the right's hysteria surrounding Obama during the '08 general, and it's just as ridiculous.

[Sheb]

I expect scorched earth opposition from the Republicans and I think Clinton is someone who wont crack under pressure.  She has felt the full front of their hatred many times before and has never so much as blinked.  It almost has me curious as to how they will react to her.  Their only strategy during the past two democratic presidencies has been to be as vicious and nasty as possible and they already know that they can't get under her skin.

She also has some nice policies but it's mostly the fighter thing.

Out of curiosity mainiac, if some magic happened that made Congress democrat, would you still support Clinton?

[Mephansteras]

These protests and violence against Trump are probably only helping him. I've seen a number of posts from conservatives on social media who are looking at Trump much more favorably now because the 'liberal hypocrites' are being violent and intolerant and they're not seeing any reports of Trump supporters going to democrat rallies and causing problems.

It's kind of scary to see people honestly stating that they see Trump as the lesser of the evils among the current candidates.

[Shadowlord]

These protests and violence against Trump are probably only helping him. I've seen a number of posts from conservatives on social media who are looking at Trump much more favorably now because the 'liberal hypocrites' are being violent and intolerant and they're not seeing any reports of Trump supporters going to democrat rallies and causing problems.

It's kind of scary to see people honestly stating that they see Trump as the lesser of the evils among the current candidates.

Man, that Joseph Stalin has to be pretty good, with all those people opposing him and being sent to count trees in Siberia. What a guy.

[Andmore]

These protests and violence against Trump are probably only helping him. I've seen a number of posts from conservatives on social media who are looking at Trump much more favorably now because the 'liberal hypocrites' are being violent and intolerant and they're not seeing any reports of Trump supporters going to democrat rallies and causing problems.

It's kind of scary to see people honestly stating that they see Trump as the lesser of the evils among the current candidates.

Man, that Joseph Stalin has to be pretty good, with all those people opposing him and being sent to count trees in Siberia. What a guy.

But... they're capitalists! Enemies of the people!

[Frumple]

This hysteria surrounding Trump reminds me very much of the right's hysteria surrounding Obama during the '08 general, and it's just as ridiculous.

In... very broad strokes, maybe? Most of the objections I've seen against trump are considerably less asspulls (and often of fairly different natures, too) than much of what was getting thrown at obama, and there's not that gigantic streak of racism plastered all over it, either. Pretty different treatment overall, really...

Don't see particularly strong parallels, myself, basically. Existent ones, sure, but not strong ones.

[nenjin]

He's a subhuman scumbag who can only win by accruing the votes of other scumbags.

Just like everyone else you disagree with, right?

This hysteria surrounding Trump reminds me very much of the right's hysteria surrounding Obama during the '08 general, and it's just as ridiculous.

The difference is that the right's hatred of Obama was a narrative they crafted from their own crazy beliefs. (Socialism, Rampant Islamization of America, etc...)

With Trump at least we can point to the horrible things he's actually said and his total lack of giving a shit about how things have generally worked before, his total lack of experience as a leader and all the evidence that he cares as much about the average person as his toenail clippings.

And that's honestly why people are voting for him. He's telling everyone to fuck off and the right's voter base, who feels totally disenfranchised from the last 8 years of Republican leadership (even the Tea Party candidates), and let down by their inability to "stop Obama" is eating it up. Every Trump voter I've spoken to has said they don't care what he actually will do, they just want to see him wreck everything.

So no, I disagree. They are not 1:1. One man got demonized by the right because the right is terrified of black people and they attached every negative thing they could think of his to presidency. The other man is getting demonized because the things he says are worth demonization, and he's completely unrecalcitrant about any of it. The "ignorance is a virtue" attitude, the weird misogyny he's got going on, the racism and just the general nastiness of his rhetoric.

Case in point: I was just on a work trip and sitting around listening to good ol' boys talk about the upcoming election. You know what their main concern was?

"Man, Obama has his claws so deep into America now I'm afraid we can't get them out. Hilary will just play right into his pocket."

The man is about to leave office and die-hard Republicans still think he's going to be pulling the strings for the next 4 years. They're so convinced he's the Great Satan or the Antichrist from the Book of Revelations that they will be referencing his impact, real or imagined, on American life for the next 20 years. Where the Ghost of Reagan is the thing conservatives conjure up to remind themselves of the good old days and make themselves feel better, the Ghost of Obama is what they'll be conjuring when they want to blame someone other than themselves for where the country is.

[Baffler]

This hysteria surrounding Trump reminds me very much of the right's hysteria surrounding Obama during the '08 general, and it's just as ridiculous.

In... very broad strokes, maybe? Most of the objections I've seen against trump are considerably less asspulls (and often of fairly different natures, too) than much of what was getting thrown at obama, and there's not that gigantic streak of racism plastered all over it, either. Pretty different treatment overall, really...

Don't see particularly strong parallels, myself, basically. Existent ones, sure, but not strong ones.

Well yeah, the tone is different because Obama and Trump are different people and both sides get worked up over different things. As an example you don't need to look any further than this very thread to see people calling a Trump presidency the literal end of democracy in America, or equating deportations and an expanded Border Patrol with the Holocaust with a straight face.

[Frumple]

... y'know, I've actually been keeping up on the thread fairly well, and I'm... fairly sure neither of those have happened. Or if they did, it wasn't with much seriousness. Particularly the latter is something that folks have clarified repeatedly it's not what they're saying when other folks tried to strawman 'em. Maybe I missed it, I'unno.

[nenjin]

Baffler was just demonstrating his point by way of example.