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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13860 on: March 08, 2016, 03:45:27 pm »

True dat. Who could possibly be more anti-immigrant than a fresh immigrant? [/nosarcasm]
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People acting like Hitler is the be-all and end-all of evil need to learn some history, he really wasn't that exceptional.
Yeah but Genghis Khan or Stalin don't have the same feel to them, as they only killed people Hollywood doesn't care about

Yes, the Nazi behavior escalated into mass murder, but that's not really the claim that's being made.
If you compare someone with Josef Stalin you're not exactly doing so out of appreciation for the Siberian cheese industry's collapse
If you're comparing administrators of Siberian cheese industry, then you very well could be. Just because something is usually discussed one way doesn't mean it can only be discussed that way.
If you're comparing administrators of Siberian cheese industry to Stalin you are saying they killed the cheese industry the same way Stalin killed the cheesemakers. Likewise we are not talking about Siberian cheesemakers. We are talking politics, and we are talking immigration, and we are talking Hitler; the comparison only means one thing - Hitler, the atrocities, not Stalin, the Soviet cheese.

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13861 on: March 08, 2016, 03:50:07 pm »

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13862 on: March 08, 2016, 03:52:39 pm »

Ironically to the whole comparing Trump to Hitler: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-hitler-comparisons-213711
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It’s difficult to say when the Hitler analogies got out of control.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13863 on: March 08, 2016, 03:53:09 pm »

people acting like Hitler is the be-all and end-all of evil need to learn some history, he really wasn't that exceptional.

Oh, IDK, I dont think anyone has premeditated genocide on such a grand scale so far in advance.  Keep in mind that Hitler didn't do more then a small fraction of the murdering that he had planned.

On the other hand, Hitler was pretty clear from the get go about his intention to go a conquerin' and murderin' until there was a giant slav free europe for the germans to frolick in.  So when people compare Trump to Hitler it is worth pointing out that Trump hasn't written a Mein Kampf.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13864 on: March 08, 2016, 03:55:01 pm »

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13865 on: March 08, 2016, 03:58:40 pm »

Like the most recent one with the voter pledges, I don't see it as hitler-esque, it's not even a nazi salute, it's just raising your hand. Plus I'm sure theres been a few rallies in other campaigns which did something similar to generate excitement or something. It's odd, yes, but it seems like people are making a bigger deal out of it than it is.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13866 on: March 08, 2016, 04:02:41 pm »

Like the most recent one with the voter pledges, I don't see it as hitler-esque, it's not even a nazi salute, it's just raising your hand. Plus I'm sure theres been a few rallies in other campaigns which did something similar to generate excitement or something. It's odd, yes, but it seems like people are making a bigger deal out of it than it is.

We saw the same thing at Obama rallies.

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It's just a simple, effective way to get the crowd pumped up and involved. Building energy at these things is good.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13867 on: March 08, 2016, 04:03:12 pm »

AAHHHH OBAMA NAZIS

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13868 on: March 08, 2016, 04:05:01 pm »

Pledges are pretty creepy when you think about it.  We make schoolchildren do them.
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« Reply #13869 on: March 08, 2016, 04:06:34 pm »

AAHHHH OBAMA NAZIS

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13870 on: March 08, 2016, 04:11:53 pm »

Again, people should stop comparing Trump to a nazi because it understates how horrible the nazi's really were.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13871 on: March 08, 2016, 04:14:29 pm »

Pledges are pretty creepy when you think about it.  We make schoolchildren do them.
In Frankfurt schools children are free from such petty things as duty, where they can work towards building glorious dildocracy free from proletariat shitlord cis scum

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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13872 on: March 08, 2016, 04:22:57 pm »

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« Reply #13874 on: March 08, 2016, 04:34:28 pm »

Again, people should stop comparing Trump to a nazi because it understates how horrible the nazi's really were.

I don't really agree with this sentiment, because it serves no practical purpose: "understating how horrible the nazi's really were" is not something that's going to cause any actual problems. It's on par with worrying whether we should ban video games where you play Ghenghis Khan because they trivialize his brutality.

Everyone gets that the Nazis were bad, and saying the were a little more or less bad is entirely academic at this point. Maintaining Nazi "evil cred" isn't in itself a useful concept, except to make our own side look good in comparisons. That can be harmful, e.g. I've seen the USA's evil Tuskagee experiments on black men dismissed as a non-story because they "weren't as evil as the Nazis". That's harmful when evil medical experiments in the USA are justified by merely being less evil than Hitler. Hitlers ultimate evil cred is therefore used as a whitewash on our own evil.

The point is, and this is actually cautionary thus has value, is to remind people that Hitler was elected, and the type of rhetoric that Hitler espoused before he got elected. "Well surely Trump won't be that bad" is exactly what people thought about Hitler. Nobody ever believes the guy they voted for is going to be the biggest asshole ever, but Drumpf is indirectly talking about building the yuuuuuuge police state infrastructure that would be needed to deport 11 million people and handle their 4 million children. That's almost 1 in 20 of the entire population that would come under government control, and they'd be in camps for many years while the paperwork is sorted out, let's not kid ourselves about that. Such an establishment can't help but turn into a monster.
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