The problem here though is that many people are angry/frustrated/dissapointed that things aren't working, which would be the Trump, Sanders, and (up to a point) Cruz followers, while Clinton, Rubio, and Kasich are basically 'leave things the way they are'.
I agree with you, rolepgeek, on the thought of Trump having access to the nuclear button, but when the choices are Trump and Clinton, do you see the dilemma here? It's true that some people will be solidly on one side or another, but there will be those who can't really choose either one, and I might be one of those.
I trust Clinton with our nuclear arsenal. I do not trust Trump with it. In fact, I trust nigh-literally every candidate other than Trump to not nuke anyone. Clinton is not a deal-breaker for me. I'd rather have Sanders, but I'm alright with Clinton. I'm not alright with Trump. The country will be, even if you think nothing else, intact when Hilary gets out of office. The idea of President Trump makes me physically scared for my wellbeing. The idea of president Clinton is irritating. They are on wholly different levels of unsavory, for me. No change is better than change for the worse, even if change for the better is better than either one.
Okay fine, I am going to call Bernie Sanders a racist in every post from here to november. Apparently that is the behavior that people want to see.
And of course it's not surprising, seeing as they support famed racist Bernie Sanders.
mainiac, stop. Seriously. Take a break. Take a minute to stop, and think about the way you're acting right now.
Did you take that minute? Can you see why I asked you to? Because that behavior is childish and immature. Not least because you're using it a. purely as an appeal to emotion, which while not intrinsically bad, is being paired with b. making shit up to prove some point or another, and c. intentionally phrasing in such a way that you're primarily insulting the supporters, rather than the politicians.
Politicians are fucking politicians. They can take some criticism, some verbal abuse whatever, they're gonna face metric shittons of it if they get into office anyway. That's what it's like in a society of free speech. But you don't get to be an asshole to their supporters just because your feelings got hurt when someone said the candidate you preferred was racist. (multiple reasons, the first one being that everyone's goddamn racist, the second one being that it's simply wrong, regardless of whether or not other people do it).
You're saying that these remarks are completely unsubstantiated, when most of the time as far as I could tell, they came after specific incidents that would serve as circumstantial evidence of their being true. I could be wrong here. But I'm still not going to just insult people at random because politicians are being insulted.
@ PTTG: Abortion isn't a moral issue, it is a body autonomy issue. As soon as the state legalizes the extraction of organs from someone without their express consent in the case that someone is dying who needs them, then it can become a moral issue. Until then, no one can be obligated to render the insides of their body to save the life of another person. Unless we're arguing that the mother's body becomes the property of the child as soon as they are conceived?
The fact that this issue is controversial is the height of hypocrisy in a nation that champions individualism to the highest degree.
As patronizing as it sounds, that's your opinion, and many disagree. For example, here's a couple of things wrong with your example; we have the ability to get organs from other sources, and while it's not enough for the demand, it's still there in significant enough quantity as to be feasible. The same does not hold true of artificial wombs. Furthermore, organ extraction often or always kills the donor, except in the case of liver and kidneys, I believe. Pregnancy is not quite the same level of risk. Finally, if you believed abortion was killing babies; like you honestly believed that it was approximately equivalent to allowing an infant to starve because breastfeeding them was too difficult/painful (I don't hold this opinion; others very well could), would you really say 'well it's the mother's choice'? If it was that easy, it would be solved.
On a different note, PTTG?: where is my incentive to make more than a billion dollars per year? Like, once I'm making that much, why should I try to continue to make money that I won't see? Selflessness? Because that's what got me to be a billionaire? Why wouldn't I simply want to leave the country and take my tax dollars somewhere else? Am I disallowed from moving? That's a bit of an extreme measure: "we want your money, so you have to be rich here, and nowhere else". 100,000$ per year is actually quite a lot. Like, 70,000$ a year is considered, counting taxes, to be about where money stops in terms of being able to bring up your happiness; all your needs are essentially covered and you don't have to stress too much about the bills.
Labor is not the only restriction on startup costs, and while corporations are basically sociopaths obsessed with money, non-profit corporations are...well, I've never really heard of them, to be honest. Non-profit companies? Sure. Businesses? Definitely. Not corporations. And without investors, it's gonna be real hard to raise the funds for that medicine manufacturing facility.
Also curious where this money is coming from, for the education and medical care. I mean, we're cutting off trade relations, failing to tax a massive segment of the population, paying basic incomes to anyone who wants one...are we gonna default on our loans, so that we can accumulate a new debt with this?
Putting people in prison for things that have been legal is also a bit extreme. Sure, there's corruption, but justice does not mean 'punish the wrongdoer'. It means 'make what was wrong, right'. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Guns exacerbate the bigger problem in America which is that we tend to be more violent overall. Like, even where there aren't guns, we tend to have higher rates of violent crime that a lot of other places. Culture of violence and whatnot.
Like, I know I'm idealistic and shit; I'm hoping to make death a non-factor for people with access to decent medical care(hard to do much for everyone else without going into politics), but...I feel like this wasn't thought through all the way. Mostly the financial/economic bits. Shit costs money, yo. Especially if you want good shit. And I'd like my education and medical care to be good, personally. Plus...I also have higher standards for those in office, but not micromanaging army-style standards, where a single fuckup by one of your subordinates means you never advance. Take responsibility, but the President is still human.
Oh fucking hell 16 goddamne replies while I typed this...
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