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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #12990 on: March 01, 2016, 02:24:32 pm »

guys, keep with the latest memage will ya

its drumpf now
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« Reply #12991 on: March 01, 2016, 02:27:23 pm »

Yeah, Kasich is only hurting the anti-trump camp by staying in.

If he wins Ohio then he is helping the anti-trump camp by removing 66 delegates from Trumps total.  This makes it more likely that Trump does not have enough delegates to secure the nomination.

Except that he is on track to NOT win Ohio and the anti-Trump vote is split between Kasich, Rubio, and Cruz.

There is a small but nonzero chance that either Cruz or Rubio could drop out tonight, but I don't really see either happening unless one or the other has a consistently bad night.
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« Reply #12992 on: March 01, 2016, 02:33:06 pm »

I also don't buy that Cruz voters wouldn't Go Trump if he wasn't available.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #12993 on: March 01, 2016, 02:34:22 pm »

I have a hard time seeing Trump going below 450 unless the states he's currently carrying by 15-20 points have his support all geographically confined. If he's winning a state by that much, he's likely to win every Congressional district and thus sweep the delegate count.


Just did a mockup of the Democratic Super Tuesday, which is much easier -- it's mostly proportional, though apparently a number of the states also do the "by Congressional district" thing as well.

Couple of interesting notes:
1. Clinton could actually be shut out of any delegates in Vermont. Almost all the states have a 15% minimum threshold, and she's polling around 11.4% there. Not a big deal, only 26 delegates, but still somewhat embarrassing.

2. Even though it will be a bloodbath in terms of Clinton likely winning every state other than Vermont (and possibly Massachusetts), the overall delegate disparity won't be quite as brutal as it might look at first glance. I have Clinton taking 627 delegates, to Sanders' 380. Still, that leaves a total gap of 273 (not counting superdelegates). She would be less than 50% of the way to the nomination (if you include her superdelegates), but not by much. And this is a simplistic model -- doesn't look at the potential effect of states awarding some delegates by congressional district, which will likely pad Clinton's total and cut into Sanders' total.

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The beautiful irony of the GOP race is that all the various hurdles that the GOP establishment has put in place to try and stymie insurgent challengers (minimum thresholds, winner-take-all and winner-take-most contests, awarding delegates by Congressional districts) are the exact thing playing against them in trying to stop Trump (and to a lesser extent Cruz). Wonder if we'll see some rule changes after this cycle.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #12994 on: March 01, 2016, 02:39:28 pm »

I can't believe we're only in march. There's what? Eight more months of this madness to go? When will it end?
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #12995 on: March 01, 2016, 02:39:56 pm »

The democratic rules aren't exactly proportional but they are in the ballpark of that.  So given there isn't an overwhelming advantage you will expect a long race.  Basically we expect Clinton to get about 56% of the delegates so she wont have a majority at that rate until 89% of the delegates are awarded.  Which isn't until after California.

This thread should be renamed to reflect the correct name:

Donald J. Drumpf's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread.
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« Reply #12996 on: March 01, 2016, 02:45:59 pm »

I can't believe we're only in march. There's what? Eight more months of this madness to go? When will it end?

In November. What, you guys conclude your presidential (or whatever highest office is voted nationwide) election within a month or two?

The last presidential primaries are in June, then the conventions in mid-late July.

The democratic rules aren't exactly proportional but they are in the ballpark of that.  So given there isn't an overwhelming advantage you will expect a long race.  Basically we expect Clinton to get about 56% of the delegates so she wont have a majority at that rate until 89% of the delegates are awarded.  Which isn't until after California.

She has an overwhelming advantage in superdelegates :P , but yes, there is a long way to go.
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« Reply #12997 on: March 01, 2016, 02:52:02 pm »

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One month! In the US it feels like it never ends.
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« Reply #12998 on: March 01, 2016, 02:53:05 pm »

In November. What, you guys conclude your presidential (or whatever highest office is voted nationwide) election within a month or two?
That's what the media would have us believe, at least. :P
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #12999 on: March 01, 2016, 02:54:27 pm »

Mostly because better'n half the time the campaigning for the next one starts immediately when the last one ends, poh. Or before it does. It's basically what the corps try to do with holidays, except entirely successful.
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Re: Donald J. Trump's Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams 2016 Megathread
« Reply #13001 on: March 01, 2016, 02:58:26 pm »

She has an overwhelming advantage in superdelegates :P , but yes, there is a long way to go.

She has an overwhelming disadvantage in current superdelegate endorsements.  Look at it this way, any new developments in the superdelegate universe are much more likely to help Sanders then Clinton.
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« Reply #13002 on: March 01, 2016, 03:00:45 pm »

So this happened: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/29/donald-trump-georgia-rally-valdosta/81129964/
"You can’t be in there using profanity. That violates Georgia law.”

Does this dude even LIVE in Georgia? Are the Georgia prisons completely full, because holy shitfuckles...it's GEORGIA. I'm pretty sure 90% of the population uses profanity on a daily basis.
Also, I am now a wanted criminal in the state of Georgia.
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« Reply #13003 on: March 01, 2016, 03:09:47 pm »

So this happened: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/29/donald-trump-georgia-rally-valdosta/81129964/
"You can’t be in there using profanity. That violates Georgia law.”

Does this dude even LIVE in Georgia? Are the Georgia prisons completely full, because holy shitfuckles...it's GEORGIA. I'm pretty sure 90% of the population uses profanity on a daily basis.
Also, I am now a wanted criminal in the state of Georgia.

Not sure if the guy being quoted is just quoting what a Trump staffer said or if he himself said that you can't be in there using profanity. Or maybe it's a school policy, don't know. Not making excuses for the guy, just saying that it isn't clear for sure if he himself said that or it was the staffer that said it.
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« Reply #13004 on: March 01, 2016, 03:10:18 pm »

Also, I am now a wanted criminal in the state of Georgia.
only if your post passed through or is stored in a georgian university, presumably
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