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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10155 on: January 24, 2016, 01:11:22 am »

By all polling data Bernie would actually blow Trump out of the water. More than Hillary, if I recall correctly.

If the election was held today, certainly.  But there is a big thing that would happen in between Sanders winning the nomination and November:  partisan politics.

Sanders exists right now in the world of primary politics which is not a zero sum game.  Clinton or O'Malley are hardly going to come out and attack him as a socialist who wants to surrender to our enemies and take away your right to see your doctor right after he takes away your gun.  That is exactly what will happen in a general election.  It's hardly going to persuade everybody but there are some people who go for scurrilous attacks.  Trump has already had the mud slung at him.  So polling Trump vs. Sanders right now is not the same as polling them right before a partisan election.

For the record I think that Sanders would probably beat Trump because Trump has huge baggage.  But that's because he has traits that lose elections not because of polling.  Entirely my subjective assessment.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10156 on: January 24, 2016, 01:18:44 am »

I think the bigger issue would be, and frankly would be in any Trump vs. X, is that Trump is not actually a politician and totally lacks in that experience. It's helped him in the primaries but if he got into an actual head-to-head with any of the Democratic candidates it would reverse into a severe disadvantage.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10157 on: January 24, 2016, 01:37:52 am »

I think the bigger issue would be, and frankly would be in any Trump vs. X, is that Trump is not actually a politician and totally lacks in that experience. It's helped him in the primaries but if he got into an actual head-to-head with any of the Democratic candidates it would reverse into a severe disadvantage.

Not with how American politics seems to work. Attack ads seem to be a big thing, which always bothered me because you're essentially saying "no, I don't think any of my policies are good enough to spend money on expensive TV ads to force down your throat, so I'll just say 'the other person is shit, that's why you need to vote for me.' and move on."

Also, people are also stupid. The fact he's not a politician and won't (perhaps even can't) play their games is always going to be a good thing for him, regardless of how his interactions with opponents go.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10158 on: January 24, 2016, 02:19:43 am »

There's nothing more symbolic than Clinton using an attack ad to get Trump and Sanders peeps attacking each other only to get both attacking hers lel
Trump and Sanders tie exactly, then have to share the Oval office
US politics then have an overflow error and loop around to despotic monarchy, but with more free market capitalism.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10159 on: January 24, 2016, 02:28:00 am »

There's nothing more symbolic than Clinton using an attack ad to get Trump and Sanders peeps attacking each other only to get both attacking hers lel
Trump and Sanders tie exactly, then have to share the Oval office
US politics then have an overflow error and loop around to despotic monarchy, but with more free market capitalism.
But which one is King, and which is Queen?
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10160 on: January 24, 2016, 02:28:57 am »

Muslims and Mexicans are advised to emigrate from the States, before Trump goes on a killing spree that won't cost him votes
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10161 on: January 24, 2016, 02:29:27 am »

I think the bigger issue would be, and frankly would be in any Trump vs. X, is that Trump is not actually a politician and totally lacks in that experience. It's helped him in the primaries but if he got into an actual head-to-head with any of the Democratic candidates it would reverse into a severe disadvantage.

Not with how American politics seems to work. Attack ads seem to be a big thing, which always bothered me because you're essentially saying "no, I don't think any of my policies are good enough to spend money on expensive TV ads to force down your throat, so I'll just say 'the other person is shit, that's why you need to vote for me.' and move on."

Also, people are also stupid. The fact he's not a politician and won't (perhaps even can't) play their games is always going to be a good thing for him, regardless of how his interactions with opponents go.

Plus Republicans have a good track record with non-politician candidates who are already celebrities (alyhough Reagan and Schwarzenegger were movie stars, whereas the most important thing Trump's ever done is star in a reality TV show)
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10162 on: January 24, 2016, 11:53:09 am »

I think the bigger issue would be, and frankly would be in any Trump vs. X, is that Trump is not actually a politician and totally lacks in that experience. It's helped him in the primaries but if he got into an actual head-to-head with any of the Democratic candidates it would reverse into a severe disadvantage.
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Do you reckon we could move from a fiat currency to a vote-backed currency?

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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10163 on: January 24, 2016, 12:01:06 pm »

Do you reckon we could move from a fiat currency to a vote-backed currency?
How about a meme-backed currency? Like bitcoin, except more stable. :^)
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10164 on: January 24, 2016, 12:03:46 pm »

The day that happens is the day I actually go through with trying to burn the country to the ground.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10165 on: January 24, 2016, 12:07:12 pm »

Do you reckon we could move from a fiat currency to a vote-backed currency?
How about a meme-backed currency? Like bitcoin, except more stable. :^)
No, I don't want to inflate the value of my rare pepes

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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10166 on: January 24, 2016, 12:09:08 pm »

Is anyone here actually going to vote for Hillary "Laugh Off The Pain" Clinton?

Seriously, she just laughs at any questions that she can't answer.

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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10167 on: January 24, 2016, 12:12:54 pm »

Is anyone here actually going to vote for Hillary "Laugh Off The Pain" Clinton?

Seriously, she just laughs at any questions that she can't answer.
If I could I would, I want to know what it looks like when the world power is led by literally can't even

Trump and Bernie, you know what they want to do, or at least say they want to do. Hillary I have no idea lol, now I only trust taiwanese animators as the only impartial news ever in the history of mankind and they don't know either. Uncertainty brings chaos candidacy, I want the hillary wars in the current year ;DDDDD

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Re: Ted Cruz's Adult Coloring Book and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #10168 on: January 24, 2016, 12:13:46 pm »

Is anyone here actually going to vote for Hillary "Laugh Off The Pain" Clinton?

Seriously, she just laughs at any questions that she can't answer.
yes, probably, since i expect her to win the primary
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