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[Bortness]

that ain't the logic, though, the logic is that "Dave must be wrong/evil because he pays attention to what Bob is saying, and Bob is wrong/evil"

like, it's still not necessarily sound, but it's a lot closer than yer strawman

Strawman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[mainiac]

This being after your edit - the original post claimed that they have not had a single mass shooting since.

Yeah I forgot that there was a formal definition for these things and not just "OMG so many innocents mowed down in public all over the news."

[Bortness]

Muslims support Obama -> Supporting Obama supports Islam
Obama invites Muslims to the seat of power -> Obama is literally Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia supports Obama -> Obama indistinguishable from Riyadh

THIS is a flipping strawman.  You are drawing a cartoon here.

[Bortness]

This being after your edit - the original post claimed that they have not had a single mass shooting since.

Yeah I forgot that there was a formal definition for these things and not just "OMG so many innocents mowed down in public all over the news."

Try to be factually correct in your arguments.  Laziness will not help your argument.

[smjjames]

time for the monthly school shooting! ya! and its in... Canada? 

Inb4 the gun nuts latch onto that as proof that gun laws don't stop mass shootings. Then again, it's Canada, who cares*.

*To Canadian forumites: That wasn't said in a serious way.

Give me one piece of proper evidence that gun laws DO stop mass shootings.

The fact that other countries have far fewer mass shootings that we do?

Corrected for population this is not true.  Also note that the United States has far less violent crime overall than almost every other country in the world.
Almost.

Could you show some actual data on that?

When you show actual data for your claim.  This ain't a one-way street, pal.

Spoiler: massive image (click to show/hide)

Of course though, this got skewed recently with terror attacks. Edit: How do I make an image not so huge again?

[Bauglir]

Strawman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

you've mischaracterized the position of your opponents as "Dave must be wrong / evil because Bob thinks he's right.", at least if i am correctly parsing your objection as being toward people who judge Trump negatively for retweeting a thing from a neo-nazi

i mean, obviously this entire conversation is unproductive but if my understanding of the situation is correct i am using my logical fallacy terminology correctly

but maybe it's "straw man", with a space, i dunno, i'm not trying to be pedantic here

[MaximumZero]

Edit: How do I make an image not so huge again?

Read here.

[Frumple]

Or at least, for the love of zeus and lower resolutions, spoiler the image.

[Loud Whispers]

Muslims support Obama -> Supporting Obama supports Islam
Obama invites Muslims to the seat of power -> Obama is literally Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia supports Obama -> Obama indistinguishable from Riyadh

THIS is a flipping strawman.  You are drawing a cartoon here.

You might have missed the point

It is a cartoon

[smjjames]

Or at least, for the love of zeus and lower resolutions, spoiler the image.

Sorry, I'm trying to fix it.

Edit: How do I make an image not so huge again?

Read here.

Neither method seems to be working.

[MaximumZero]

Or at least, for the love of zeus and lower resolutions, spoiler the image.

Sorry, I'm trying to fix it.

Edit: How do I make an image not so huge again?

Read here.

Neither method seems to be working.

Take the first = out. Also, change those numbers to about 500, please.

[smjjames]

Or at least, for the love of zeus and lower resolutions, spoiler the image.

Sorry, I'm trying to fix it.

Edit: How do I make an image not so huge again?

Read here.

Neither method seems to be working.

Take the first = out. Also, change those numbers to about 500, please.

I did change those numbers to 500. Anyway, maybe that image doesn't want or can't be resized because I've tried taking that = out and some variants of other stuff.

[Descan]

Give me one piece of proper evidence that gun laws DO stop mass shootings.

Australia enacted them and had a statistically significant drop in attacks.

Australia doesn't have a laxly-patrolled border with a major country with nearly no gun control.

no but canada does

hey ooooo

[Dorsidwarf]

time for the monthly school shooting! ya! and its in... Canada? 

Inb4 the gun nuts latch onto that as proof that gun laws don't stop mass shootings. Then again, it's Canada, who cares*.

*To Canadian forumites: That wasn't said in a serious way.

Give me one piece of proper evidence that gun laws DO stop mass shootings.

The fact that other countries have far fewer mass shootings that we do?

Corrected for population this is not true.  Also note that the United States has far less violent crime overall than almost every other country in the world.
Almost.

Parroting the "UK has a massively higher violent crime rate than US" stat quote makes me want to slap the entire US through the screen. In the UK, a couple of blokes shoving each other around in front of a pub and being told to twat off by an officer (or words to effect) is a "violent crime". Punch? Violent crime. In the US, violent crimes are a lot more strictly and narrowly defined.

Also, isnt norways mass-shootings death rate high because when they do get them, huge numbers of people die in close proximity?

[Loud Whispers]

Twat off?