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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7290 on: December 03, 2015, 12:38:06 pm »

Why does Trump think he can bribe/extort CNN? :P

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/cnn-rejects-trump-debate-demands-216388

If he doesn't appear at the debate, then it's his loss.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7291 on: December 03, 2015, 12:56:53 pm »

This should not be taken as either a threat or an attempt to incite lawless action.

Rope.
Huh, I was thinking something along similar lines...
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7292 on: December 03, 2015, 01:01:22 pm »

Why does Trump think he can bribe/extort CNN? :P

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/cnn-rejects-trump-debate-demands-216388

If he doesn't appear at the debate, then it's his loss.

I think the lesson here is the Trump finds these debates unpleasant to endure.  Like sure he's a publicity seeking narcissist but that doesn't mean he wants to put up with being on that debate stage with those people.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7293 on: December 03, 2015, 01:01:51 pm »

I'd understand completely if people who abuse the power, authority, and trust that the people give them were to end up near street lights and near the ground.

Not like it's going to happen, the blue line is the fucking blue line. And the white collar line backs that up nicely. Cops don't prosecute cops and people in the legal system are largely proof against it.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7294 on: December 03, 2015, 01:05:26 pm »

This story broke because cops went above the head of their corrupt supervisors to contact the federal authorities.
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« Reply #7295 on: December 03, 2015, 01:29:30 pm »

This story broke because cops went above the head of their corrupt supervisors to contact the federal authorities.
Good people that got fired/marginalized within the police system over the years.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7296 on: December 03, 2015, 01:32:09 pm »

Well we dont know because they are anonymous right now.  We only know the identity of the perpetrators.

The facts themselves are disturbing enough without needing to invent new ones.
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« Reply #7297 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:12 pm »

It seems like we need to uproot all of our law enforcement departments and shake them out with an earthquake of 1011 on the richter scale in order to deal with the deeply rooted corruption and problems.

I know that's not a realistic solution neccesarily, but still.
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« Reply #7298 on: December 03, 2015, 02:49:06 pm »

It's also one that would destroy good officers as well and result in entire departments filled with nothing but rookies with none of the contacts, experience, or knowledge of the streets.  Hence, I would consider a slash-and-burn approach a tactic of absolute last resort, and certainly not one that we need for all of our law enforcement departments in the entire nation yet. 

That said, it does remind a bit of the brilliant plan to de-Ba'athify Iraq by jettisoning all Ba'ath party members from office in 2003. 
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« Reply #7299 on: December 03, 2015, 02:57:23 pm »

Obviously we put a black mark on the 'bad' cops.  They are forever blocked from advancing their career in any police system.  They are free to find another job.  'Good' cops  don't get that black mark and can be rehired to better positions.

Basically, fire everyone and rehire em as you see fit.  Not as bad as firing everyone and only hiring new blood...
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7300 on: December 03, 2015, 02:57:24 pm »

Yep, but I'm much cooler with Ba'athi Iraq than I am with Ba'athi Anytown USA.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7301 on: December 03, 2015, 03:01:50 pm »

Well, don't get rid of all of them. Just all the ones that can't bring up actionable dirt on other parts of the legal system :V

And don't end up with actionable dirt against them, of course. Overlap would be acceptable, but be sure to prevent collaboration as much as possible.

May not be speaking entirely seriously, but given one of the single largest problems is that many times "good" officers shove themselves up the arse of bad ones and go to roost, it could be a way to actually identify the ones that are willing to keep an eye on the internal systems.

And yeah, nenj, from what I recall the parrish folks are decently thought of around here. Didn't exactly know the guy well or anything, though. Just've met 'em in person before. I pretty sincerely doubt the situation in question is going to change that local appreciation, ha.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7302 on: December 03, 2015, 03:07:55 pm »

Obviously we put a black mark on the 'bad' cops.  They are forever blocked from advancing their career in any police system.  They are free to find another job.  'Good' cops  don't get that black mark and can be rehired to better positions.

Basically, fire everyone and rehire em as you see fit.  Not as bad as firing everyone and only hiring new blood...
How do you tell the difference between the bad cops and good cops?  We already have that now in theory - bad cops are supposed to be fired, while good cops stay.  The whole point of the blue line, though, is that all too often, neither side is willing to point out which one of them are good or bad, outside of exceptional circumstances like this.  Internal Affairs is considered the "enemy" and not to be trusted by "actual" officers. 

That said, if I recall properly (and my memory is a bit fuzzy), there are cases where this has worked on a local level - once or twice, entire police departments have been fired and replaced from other departments around the state, people who will set a good example for the newbies.  My problem is with it being applied as a nationwide solution, because there are no "other departments" to provide a seed stock to rebuild along proper lines in that case. 

Well, don't get rid of all of them. Just all the ones that can't bring up actionable dirt on other parts of the legal system :V
Ummm, I'm seeing a bit of a perverse incentive here.  "Either you give us a crooked cop or you get sacked."  It seems like a wonderful way to give them a vested interest in ratting out corruption, whether it exists or not. 
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« Reply #7303 on: December 03, 2015, 03:13:56 pm »

So apparently a bunch of racist fucks ruined 1000 lives:
http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2015/12/01/leaked-documents-reveal-dothan-police-department-planted-drugs-on-young-black-men-for-years-district-attorney-doug-valeska-complicit/

The sheer scope is mind boggling.

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #7304 on: December 03, 2015, 03:34:45 pm »

So apparently a bunch of racist fucks ruined 1000 lives:
http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2015/12/01/leaked-documents-reveal-dothan-police-department-planted-drugs-on-young-black-men-for-years-district-attorney-doug-valeska-complicit/

The sheer scope is mind boggling.

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Basically, thousands of innocent blacks got hit by a police department that was planting drugs on them to secure convictions.  Worse, an IntAff investigation into the matter was suppressed by the District Attorney, and without any black marks, some of these people were subsequently promoted to positions that include police chief of the department and Assistant Director for Homeland Security for the entire state.  That doesn't cover the half of it, though.  Here's the text, less the embedded documents:

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Now, some of the evidence is a bit odd (polygraphs in this day and age? There's a darned good reason some states have banned polygraph tests as trial evidence), but some of the others, if true, are rather damning.
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