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[Morrigi]

We could already tell he was trying to become the American Hitler, so, really, is that any surprise?

That's approximately as accurate as claiming that Hillary is trying to become the American Stalin, i.e. not at all. No one is talking about work camps or gas chambers, now drop the hyperbole.

[Flying Dice]

Funny, I was just about to say that the far left only gets serious traction when the far right takes a country running a budget surplus and drives it into trillions of dollars of debt while embroiling it in wars started under false pretenses.
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So did you bother reading the piece or were you too busy making false claims of your own?

You may not agree with MoJo's political leanings, but they're hardly a gossip rag.

[Morrigi]

Funny, I was just about to say that the far left only gets serious traction when the far right takes a country running a budget surplus and drives it into trillions of dollars of debt while embroiling it in wars started under false pretenses.
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So did you bother reading the piece or were you too busy making false claims of your own?

You may not agree with MoJo's political leanings, but they're hardly a gossip rag.

They're worse than a gossip rag, they post blatant lies about things and people they disagree with and pass it off as actual news, and a U.S. judge recently spent a full three pages of the verdict of a civil suit bashing them for being shit, although they did win the suit.

[Shadowlord]

We could already tell he was trying to become the American Hitler, so, really, is that any surprise?

That's approximately as accurate as claiming that Hillary is trying to become the American Stalin, i.e. not at all. No one is talking about work camps or gas chambers, now drop the hyperbole.

No hyperbole. Hitler didn't start with work camps or gas chambers either.

P.S. I read that part of that judgement you were referring to. I don't disagree with it, but the fault lies with both sides, not just the "liberal" media like Mother Jones.

[Morrigi]

We could already tell he was trying to become the American Hitler, so, really, is that any surprise?

That's approximately as accurate as claiming that Hillary is trying to become the American Stalin, i.e. not at all. No one is talking about work camps or gas chambers, now drop the hyperbole.

No hyperbole. Hitler didn't start with work camps or gas chambers either.

P.S. I read that part of that judgement you were referring to. I don't disagree with it, but the fault lies with both sides, not just the "liberal" media like Mother Jones.

I never denied that it didn't lies with both sides, but MotherJones, Jezebel, and Rolling Stone are the worst of the worst. FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are also all terrible, and Breitbart is quite biased and is fond of clickbait headlines but resorts to blatant lies only rarely. Also, since when does some idiot in charge of a politician's twitter account making a mistake prove that the politician himself is a Nazi? It is hyperbole.

[Shadowlord]

He's Donald Trump, do you really think he wouldn't fire them the first time they did something he didn't like?

[Culise]

He's Donald Trump, do you really think he wouldn't fire them the first time they did something he didn't like?

How do we know he didn't?  Do we know which punch-clock intern or volunteer telecommuting from behind a desk in a basement somewhere in Greater Americana happened to make this particular tweet, so that we can see for ourselves if this person was sacked?  He may, but if he didn't make the tweet, he's at a bare minimum decided it's better to keep his head down than disavow it and be called a liar (again). 

[Shadowlord]

That's a good point. 

[nenjin]

Well I thought I'd seen the best of Trump but the last few days have really taken the cake.

[Culise]

Actually, I think it'd be kinda hilarious if it was actually a closet Democrat on his campaign team, sneaking this kind of stuff in to undermine his campaign.  For that matter, what if his entire campaign team was actually comprised of Democrats, all of them just egging him on from one gaffe to another and quietly wondering why their carefully engineered plots keep backfiring in a sort of Blackadder-esque comedy of errors. 

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You're a bit late, the conspiracy theory is that Donald Trump's extreme liberalism in the 90's and early 2000's is his legit belief and that he's a deep cover operative ensuring the victory of the Democrats.

[smjjames]

We could already tell he was trying to become the American Hitler, so, really, is that any surprise?

That's approximately as accurate as claiming that Hillary is trying to become the American Stalin, i.e. not at all. No one is talking about work camps or gas chambers, now drop the hyperbole.

Eh, I think Margaret Thatcher would be a much better comparison.

[mainiac]

Motherjones? Might as well link Gawker while you're at it.

Kevin Drum does excellent work supported by the facts.  When he has an opinion, he states it as an opinion.  He has a political leaning that he doesn't hide which is why he works for mother jones but I find his musings refreshingly objective compared to the vast majority of journalists.

They're worse than a gossip rag, they post blatant lies about things and people they disagree with and pass it off as actual news, and a U.S. judge recently spent a full three pages of the verdict of a civil suit bashing them for being shit, although they did win the suit.

An excellent example of the kind of ad hominum logic that is why I find Kevin Drums honesty to be such a refreshing change of pace in modern american discourse.

I never denied that it didn't lies with both sides, but MotherJones, Jezebel, and Rolling Stone are the worst of the worst.

What has MotherJones lied about?  Please dont define lie as "disagreed with my political views".

As for RollingStone, yeah, they fucked up.  And worse yet, they admitted their mistake.  You want to be like Fox News where you fuck up and then you stubbornly insist that your shit was true all along.

Well find those WMDs in Syria any day now...

[Shadowlord]

So, did anyone else here watch Colin Powell's presentation to the UN before the Iraq invasion back when it happened? As a clueless American, that presentation was very impressive. I didn't know anything about what Powell was talking about, of course. He sounded quite certain of the truth of what he was saying, although the UN was unmoved. I think a lot of us were angry that they were refusing to see the obvious intel but in restrospect, it was more that we weren't seeing clearly ourselves - we were still outraged over 9/11, and we were told that Saddam was sponsoring Al Qaida terrorists and developing WMD, and we had appeared to have completely routed the Taliban, so it's no surprise most of America was in favor of invading at the time. Colin Powell seemed like a good, honest, trustworthy person, right up until the Bush Administration stopped talking about WMD and started retroactively changing why we invaded. (And when they found degraded chemical weapons from before the Gulf War, hid it until they were out of office and couldn't anymore)

At some point post-invasion, during the insurgency, I read H. Norman Schwartzkopf's autobiography, where he predicted what would have happened if we had invaded and knocked off Saddam during the first Gulf War. His prediction was remarkably similar to what was happening then with the insurgency. It made me wonder why Rumsfeld was so certain of success, especially when this prediction was over a decade old and so accurate. Surely he had people who could have seen the same thing coming?

Anyways, I haven't voted for a Republican since, although I still pay attention to what they're saying, because it seems important.

I don't particularly like Hillary Clinton either, but attacking her for her email server is the dumbest thing ever. So she chose to not use the incredibly slow and insecure state department email system, and instead used a private email server, and at some point started paying a company to host it and keep it well-secured. There's no way it could be less secure than the state department's. Hell, the smart thing to do would have been to move everyone to accounts like that. That company (and I'm sure others) actually knows what it's doing, and has to be accountable to its customers. I bet it'd be cheaper than the state department's system, too. (Of course, there are plenty of tech companies for whom security isn't important, because they think "security doesn't sell.")

[smjjames]

I thought the state department email system was supposed to be secure? But yeah, the republicans just keep endlessly trying to nail her on something when they aren't succeeding.