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[mainiac]

Well the only problem I see with it is apparently Obama wants to literally take social security money away from those of us who've been forced to pay into it for X amount of years and throw it at the feet of anyone who feels like hopping over the border. Also he apparently wants to give them free housing, free healthcare (as in not Obamacare because THAT isn't anywhere close to free) and a bunch of other benefits.

Fun fact, they pay more into the system then they get out, unlike, for instance, you.

[Helgoland]

Someone call an ambulance, 'cause we have a third degree burn here.

[Baffler]

Well the only problem I see with it is apparently Obama wants to literally take social security money away from those of us who've been forced to pay into it for X amount of years and throw it at the feet of anyone who feels like hopping over the border. Also he apparently wants to give them free housing, free healthcare (as in not Obamacare because THAT isn't anywhere close to free) and a bunch of other benefits.

Fun fact, they pay more into the system then they get out, unlike, for instance, you.

Do you mind giving some numbers for this?

[scriver]

Well the only problem I see with it is apparently Obama wants to literally take social security money away from those of us who've been forced to pay into it for X amount of years and throw it at the feet of anyone who feels like hopping over the border. Also he apparently wants to give them free housing, free healthcare (as in not Obamacare because THAT isn't anywhere close to free) and a bunch of other benefits.

Fun fact, they pay more into the system then they get out, unlike, for instance, you.

Not that I agree with BFEL's statement (but I would rather argue that being an illegal immigrant keeps you from bring able to properly being able to contribute to social security systems and other tax stuff), but could you explain how? I am under the impression that it isn't possible to, for example, have a legal, taxed, job while you are in the US illegally. Is that wrong?

[penguinofhonor]

Half of illegal immigrants in America are paying income tax. I'm not sure exactly how it's done, but it seems easier than getting benefits. The government is apparently a lot less picky when you're giving them money. Also, even if you're getting paid under the table, you're paying taxes to spend your money.

Social security in particular receives $12 billion a year from illegal immigrants. This is actually significantly helping to keep social security going.

[Bauglir]

Sales tax is a thing, and my understanding is that businesses that are hiring illegal immigrants under the table will sometimes still pay taxes as though they were legitimate employees in order to keep the IRS off their asses. It'd probably look pretty fishy if you insisted all your employees elected to do no tax withholding, and yet nobody files tax returns with your employer code. And since an illegal immigrant can't file a tax return or claim benefits, no refunds ever get paid out. Haven't got a hard source on that, though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[scriver]

I guess it makes sense on a level. Sales tax too, of course.

[Willfor]

Taxation ... without representation. Wasn't some important war fought over that? Wasn't some country super smug about how that was a really important thing to fight about? :V

[Aklyon]

Taxation ... without representation. Wasn't some important war fought over that? Wasn't some country super smug about how that was a really important thing to fight about? :V

But that would involve reading history! They're too busy being political to do that.

[RedKing]

Taxation ... without representation. Wasn't some important war fought over that? Wasn't some country super smug about how that was a really important thing to fight about? :V

They would argue that those folks were legally entitled to representation, while these folks aren't.

[mainiac]

Every time you sign up for a job in the US, you provide your social security number.  Although it's simple, most people dont even know you can tell your employer not to deduct your personal social security contributions from your paycheck.  So if you provide a non-existant social security number your deductions are credited to no one.  In addition there is the employer deduction which is levied unless you can demonstate a six figure income through a different job.

Well, think of it this way- there is a substantial number of illegal immigrants that are just Canadian workers who overstayed their visas.

In that case they would have a green card and could recoup their payments to social security.  The 12 billion is from people without a greencard who provide a fraudulent social security number.

[mainiac]

The point is that the number is for the undocumented people, not those who overstayed their visas.

[BFEL]

Are you getting all your news from Fox?

From my mom actually, so probably just as bad

Didn't know that they actually managed to get illegals to pay social security, obviously.
But I figured that you guys should see where the general thoughts of the more conservative subset of the population are at.

[Zangi]

Are you getting all your news from Fox?

From my mom actually, so probably just as bad

Didn't know that they actually managed to get illegals to pay social security, obviously.
But I figured that you guys should see where the general thoughts of the more conservative subset of the population are at.

Well, its not like anyone is convincing them to. 
Its just easier for employers to just take whatever social security numbers they give and pay the taxes off of whatever they are paying em like any other normal employee.  Not the job of the business to check or enforce the validity of those numbers.
As I understand it anyways.  Uncle Sam likes to get his cut.

[redwallzyl]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/09/455314374/coal-giant-peabody-accused-of-misleading-investors-about-climate-change-risks

Say it aint so! who could ever have seen that coming?