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[scriver]

Does he realise that if the Jews had guns, it would have been called a war, and the nazis would have just bombed the ghettos from above before bulldozing the remains with their tanks?

[Baffler]

(he's white, right? okay)

It annoys me that people say this so often. The Oregon shooter was black and everybody still calls him a lone crazy person. Same thing with the guy who shot that TV crew, and even if calling that a "mass" shooting is a bit disingenuous, it still got lots of media attention.

[i2amroy]

I'm actually a student at NAU.

Didn't know anyone involved, but yeah, the definite vibe here is "random conflict that escalated", not "crazy lone gunman". The fact that CNN is trying to link it to other shootings of the crazy lone gunman type is kinda absurd, to be honest. This was a new 18 year old freshman letting his anger get the better of him in a fight, not some sort of man on a mission.

[Strife26]

Hey, let's all reserve judgment here. There's very clearly a narrative going on here, and letting things like facts get in the way of that narrative is no way to sell things or push issues.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

CNN should definitely get a full leaderboard up and running, the ratings will be phenomenal!

[RedKing]

(he's white, right? okay)

The Oregon shooter was black and everybody still calls him a lone crazy person. Same thing with the guy who shot that TV crew, and even if calling that a "mass" shooting is a bit disingenuous, it still got lots of media attention.

Since when? Dude's father is British and white as can be. No idea about the mother.

And with Vester Flanagan, look at the difference in narrative. People immediately started tying it to #BlackLivesMatter (not without some basis, mind you). Whereas with that dumbass cracker in Charleston, you STILL have people denying that it was about white supremacy or some kind of ideoloigcal thing, or excusing the ideological part by just saying "Well, he's just crazy."

There is absolutely a double standard in how these incidents are reported and the narrative that develops, based on the ethnicity of the shooter.
There's also developed a double standard in reporting police brutality cases. If the victim there is white, it doesn't get nearly the coverage.

[Reelya]

Some might say that not showing white victims of police brutality is "reverse racism" against whites. But I think it's just plain old racism ... against black people.

By showing that police target black people you're basically playing into the racists' credo that black people are criminals and need to be controlled. You gotta admit most of the far right just think "well, good!" when they hear about some brutality against black kids. Hence, showing white victims doesn't fit into that racist agenda, and would cause issues with the racists on the right vs their love for "law and order" policies.

[mainiac]

White victims of police brutality generally get a different narrative.  Remember when that cop pepper sprayed the occupy protesters?  Obvious police brutality was discussed as such but the narrative was more dominated by the right to free speech.  When the black lives matter protests got beat up the narrative wasn't about free speech, it was about police brutality.

[redwallzyl]

this was i bit ago but its probably relevant. i haven't seen any discussion on bay12 yet but i could have missed it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/10/09/446999920/doctors-without-borders-are-now-doctors-in-anguish

[Reelya]

America can't be held responsible for accidental bombings. It was an accident. Case closed. It would only be a warcrime if Russia accidentally bombed someone. That would be inexcusably evil.

[Culise]

Yeah.  I mean, it's not like they blew up something important.  Like a Chinese embassy or something.  Which was also an accident.  As in completely accidental.

[mainiac]

Who are you mocking exactly?  I haven't heard anyone give a "shit happens" response to these events but maybe I'm not following the news closely enough?

[Flying Dice]

Anyone who supports the U.S. bombing civilians, especially when they're hypocrites who cry foul when other states do it? The CIA "accidentally" bombing the PRC's embassy in Belgrade?

I'd suggest the answer of "why not both?"

[smjjames]

The problem is that it was supposedly well and widely known that it was a hospital and the thing is that it wasn't US soldiers that called it in, it was the Afghan soldiers that called it in. Yes it's a horrible accident, but with the facts that we know right now, we can't tell if it was intentional or if something went horribly wrong. I'm not defending the U.S. military's actions, I'm just saying that we don't know enough to 100% say that it's a war crime under international law.

[Strife26]

this was i bit ago but its probably relevant. i haven't seen any discussion on bay12 yet but i could have missed it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/10/09/446999920/doctors-without-borders-are-now-doctors-in-anguish

That seems amazingly suspicious, with the amount of effort it takes to call down supporting fires on anything these days.

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/08/infantry-troops-in-contact-waiting-for-presidential-approval-to-return-fire/
I mean, it's been a big enough bugaboo for the guys on the ground to get no small attention with in the community for years.


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The problem is that it was supposedly well and widely known that it was a hospital and the thing is that it wasn't US soldiers that called it in, it was the Afghan soldiers that called it in. Yes it's a horrible accident, but with the facts that we know right now, we can't tell if it was intentional or if something went horribly wrong. I'm not defending the U.S. military's actions, I'm just saying that we don't know enough to 100% say that it's a war crime under international law.

Aaaaaand explained. Taking orders from local nationals is a very dangerous thing to do. Wonder why they wanted a hospital hit