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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3585 on: August 15, 2015, 06:52:03 pm »

Pretty sure we've covered the possibility of a vote split before. It'd take more than an act of god for that to make a difference.
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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3586 on: August 15, 2015, 06:53:14 pm »

He's also an unapologetic socialist, which is a very very bad word for huge parts of america. The only reason he beats trump is because trump is such a joke. A real republican candidate would eat him alive - Barring some kind of act of god there's realistically zero chance of sanders being the next president.

An act of god being the not-so-slim possibility of him beating Hilary Clinton? My understanding was that Sanders was giving her a run for her money.

It really doesn't have any Communist connotations to me. Actually, I'm not even sure what being 'socialist' is supposed to mean politically as far as his positions. It's supposed to be to the far left I think, further left than liberal I think.

Edit: Would 'act of God' include Trump going independent and splitting the vote between whoever is the republican nominee? I could see that potentially going for Sanders.

The problem is that these words all mean very different things in modern American politics compared to what they mean everywhere else in the world. "Liberal" in the UK refers to politics orientated around the idea of a small government, pro-economic + civil freedoms, that kind of thing. In America, the word "Socialist" or "Social Democrat" was made toxic by the Cold War and the Red Scare and so on, but the most left-wing "Liberals" in the USA (Sanders, Rage Against the Machine, that kind of grouping) are pretty much Socialists/Social Democrats. The majority seem to be "centre-left" i.e. quite left wing, but in a fairly moderate way - they may disagree with austerity driven politics, they may think that more wealth should be redistributed among the poor, they may think the government should intervene more (and may support larger government). That doesn't necessarily mean they want workers to gain control over the means of production or something. Roughly how far these people think America should go in that direction will decide how "left wing" they are, i.e. how close to the centre.

I should finally add that genuine Social Democrats are "Socialists". You can't be a real Social Democrat without being a Socialist - the whole concept of "Social Democracy" can be reduced to trying to achieve Socialism through gradual reform, using the existing democratic structures, in contrast to a revolution of some kind. In this sense Bernie Sanders is both a Socialist and a Social Democrat. The most confusing thing is that people began using the word "Democratic Socialist", which doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "Social Democrat" because a Democratic Socialist could theoretically support some kind of armed revolution.
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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3587 on: August 15, 2015, 06:57:56 pm »

He's also an unapologetic socialist, which is a very very bad word for huge parts of america. The only reason he beats trump is because trump is such a joke. A real republican candidate would eat him alive - Barring some kind of act of god there's realistically zero chance of sanders being the next president.

An act of god being the not-so-slim possibility of him beating Hilary Clinton? My understanding was that Sanders was giving her a run for her money.
Polls are putting her at an average of 35 points ahead of Sanders.

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« Reply #3588 on: August 15, 2015, 07:01:41 pm »

Polls are putting her at an average of 35 points ahead of Sanders.

He's winning in places though, isn't he? In places like New Hampshire, for instance? It's interesting that he's pretty solidly in second place. I'd be curious to see what would happen if Biden entered the race properly and split the right wing of the Democrats that are currently helping Clinton.
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« Reply #3589 on: August 15, 2015, 07:10:04 pm »

He's winning in places though, isn't he? In places like New Hampshire, for instance?
Ya, but not in Iowa, which is traditionally key to winning the nomination.
I'd be curious to see what would happen if Biden entered the race properly and split the right wing of the Democrats that are currently helping Clinton.
I hope he doesn't; his son died recently, so I hope he takes some time to recover first.

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« Reply #3590 on: August 15, 2015, 07:10:35 pm »

He's also an unapologetic socialist, which is a very very bad word for huge parts of america. The only reason he beats trump is because trump is such a joke. A real republican candidate would eat him alive - Barring some kind of act of god there's realistically zero chance of sanders being the next president.

An act of god being the not-so-slim possibility of him beating Hilary Clinton? My understanding was that Sanders was giving her a run for her money.
Polls are putting her at an average of 35 points ahead of Sanders.

Only temporarily, and in New Hampshire at that. He is notable for attracting large crowds compared to Hillary, but that's about it.

The whole email scandal could certainly hurt her, but I don't see it ending her campaign anytime soon. Really depends on what comes out of that investigation.

Polls are putting her at an average of 35 points ahead of Sanders.

He's winning in places though, isn't he? In places like New Hampshire, for instance? It's interesting that he's pretty solidly in second place. I'd be curious to see what would happen if Biden entered the race properly and split the right wing of the Democrats that are currently helping Clinton.

Only NH as far as I know, and not even by a very large margin. But yeah, it's still really early, there's so much that could happen between now and the caucases next year.
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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3591 on: August 15, 2015, 07:11:17 pm »

He's also an unapologetic socialist, which is a very very bad word for huge parts of america. The only reason he beats trump is because trump is such a joke. A real republican candidate would eat him alive - Barring some kind of act of god there's realistically zero chance of sanders being the next president.

An act of god being the not-so-slim possibility of him beating Hilary Clinton? My understanding was that Sanders was giving her a run for her money.

Only because "hillary clinton still the de-facto democratic nominee" would make very, very boring headlines and sell very few papers draw very few clicks. Giving the impression that it's a tight race draws more clicks, and makes them more money so that's what they do.

He's not going to win, there is no realistic chance. Clinton has more money, more support, and a better chance of winning in the general election. There's no way sanders is getting nominated.
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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3592 on: August 15, 2015, 07:13:01 pm »

basically what needs to be done is we take some right-wing extremists and kill hillary

the leftmost will win due to the pure kneejerk against anything rightwing, and sanders is president

i guess this is why she's surrounded by agents, huh
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« Reply #3593 on: August 15, 2015, 07:14:02 pm »

Yes, that would be why.

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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3594 on: August 15, 2015, 07:14:26 pm »

Hillary Clinton was an inside job, but then the Mexicans took her job

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« Reply #3595 on: August 15, 2015, 07:16:41 pm »

Hillary Clinton was an inside job, but then the Mexicans took her job
All while Bill was getting a blowjob.

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« Reply #3596 on: August 15, 2015, 07:17:11 pm »

Only because "hillary clinton still the de-facto democratic nominee" would make very, very boring headlines and sell very few papers draw very few clicks. Giving the impression that it's a tight race draws more clicks, and makes them more money so that's what they do.

He's not going to win, there is no realistic chance. Clinton has more money, more support, and a better chance of winning in the general election. There's no way sanders is getting nominated.

See now, this complacent attitude has completely wrecked the right-wing of the Labour Party in the UK. Everyone said exactly what you've said about Jeremy Corbyn, the current front runner - "He's too left wing, he only has wing support, there's no way he'll win the next election" - and spoke of guys like Andy Burnham, the current second-placer, in the same way you did of Hilary - "he has more money, more support, he's not what we like but he's prime ministerial material, he can unite the party" and so on and so forth. Currently, after a few months, Corbyn has taken the lead by miles and is almost certain to be next Labour Party leader.

He'll never win the Prime Ministerial post, of course. Sanders at least has a chance though considering the very-likely nomination of Trump.
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« Reply #3597 on: August 15, 2015, 07:17:30 pm »

Hillary Clinton was an inside job, but then the Mexicans took her job
All while Bill was getting a blowjob.

that job, too, was taken by the mexicans
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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3598 on: August 15, 2015, 07:20:38 pm »

He's winning in places though, isn't he? In places like New Hampshire, for instance?
Ya, but not in Iowa, which is traditionally key to winning the nomination.

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Re: Donald Trump's Narcissism Appreciation Megathread
« Reply #3599 on: August 15, 2015, 07:22:23 pm »

basically what needs to be done is we take some right-wing extremists and kill hillary

the leftmost will win due to the pure kneejerk against anything rightwing, and sanders is president

i guess this is why she's surrounded by agents, huh

Freudian slip or something? Pretty sure you meant Obama instead of Sanders.

Also, fun what if: Hillary takes Sanders as VP?

More seriously, anybody know what Hillarys potential VP list might be?
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