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[Bauglir]

I didn't think it was possible to be more ashamed to live in Steve King's district. Poor Bauglir. When will you learn?

[Zrk2]

I thought the Republicans had skewed to hardcore Evangelical Protestantism. Surely this is just more proof to them that the Pope is the Great Satan?

[smjjames]

... As one of the forums resident Republicans, I am watching the Primaries evolve with... I don't know how I feel. Trump interests me in that he seems to have the confidence and gusto that other politicians seem to lack. He's about as graceless as a rock, but at this point the rock is looking more appealing than the alternatives.

When in living memory has there ever been a Republican candidate that was more appealing than a rock? I don't think we've had a decent Republican since Lincoln.

EDIT:
Modern politics have actually convinced me that Caligula was not insane. If Rome's politicians were anything like ours han a horse would make a better senator than most.

*ahem*

Teddy Roosevelt

[Aqizzar]

smjjames did ask for Presidents "in living memory".  I know the Internet can't get enough of the Teddy taste, but anybody who could remember even when Roosevelt left office would today be at least a hundred and ten years old.

[smjjames]

smjjames did ask for Presidents "in living memory".  I know the Internet can't get enough of the Teddy taste, but anybody who could remember even when Roosevelt left office would today be at least a hundred and ten years old.

Lol, I was responding to the second part of that sentence. Maybe I should have bolded for emphasis......

[Frumple]

... there's still people alive that remember teddy? They'd have to be at least a 114 years old... which, I mean. There's a small few (going by the wikipedia page on old people, at least seven that are still kicking and 114 or older), so he counts.

Lincoln definitely doesn't count, though. Living memory is a pretty specific term, and I'm fairly sure there's no one still kicking that was alive in 1861.

[smjjames]

What about Eisenhower? I realize that much of his legacy comes from WWII, but according to wikipedia, he's pretty decent.

[Aqizzar]

What about Eisenhower? I realize that much of his legacy comes from WWII, but according to wikipedia, he's pretty decent.

His legacy as President was overall pretty great too.  Managed to negotiate an end to the Korean War that didn't involve a nuclear exchange, kept a lot of potential conflicts from growing into real ones (not surprising for his background), presided over one of America's biggest economic recoveries and channeled it into building a ton of national infrastructure, founded NASA...

Pity his criticism of the 'military-industrial-complex' didn't amount to actually trying to control it, along with largely spurring the Cold War into the shape it became.  Also kind of a fair-weather proponent of civil rights, but hardly an enemy of it either.

Funny how much he differs from the modern Republican party as a whole.  Then again, even in 1952, we was basically drafted into running to unseat Truman, and was never particularly well-liked by his fellow Republican politicians.

[scriver]

I'm reminding you all once again that Donald Trump's hair is real. Supposedly he pays 10K a year to maintain it.

...With what, baby tears?

(also it is a comb-over, right?)

[Arcvasti]

What about Eisenhower? I realize that much of his legacy comes from WWII, but according to wikipedia, he's pretty decent.

Eisenhower was the one who overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government back in 1959. I would not call that decent by any standards.

[Angle]

*Puts down his lantern and sighs theatrically*

[Aqizzar]

What about Eisenhower? I realize that much of his legacy comes from WWII, but according to wikipedia, he's pretty decent.

Eisenhower was the one who overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government back in 1959. I would not call that decent by any standards.

Oh right, that little episode.  Dammit Ike, I try to stick up for you and then there's this shit.

[Frumple]

... so should we expand the contention to all comers, or just agree that the only appropriate thing to do with a US president is shove them in a box, toss the box in a peat bog, and set the whole thing on fire?

[Bauglir]

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Maybe decent presidents just aren't a thing.

[Aqizzar]

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Maybe decent presidents just aren't a thing.

We should have just crowned George Washington king and been done with it when we had the chance.  He wasn't perfect either, but at least people expect hereditary monarchs to do tyrannical stuff from time to time, the bar of good behavior is a lot lower.