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[Bauglir]

>Silent on Wal-Mart's anti-union policies
>Potential conflict of interest with law firm she worked with that did state work
>Suspicious behavior in Whitewater controversy
>Voted for PATRIOT Act
>Renewed PATRIOT Act in 2005 after compromising on civil liberties issues
>Voted in favor of allowing Iraq invasion, did not oppose continued operations until 2007
>Introduced FEPA, which would have given ESRB game ratings the force of law
>Voted in favor of financial system bailout in 2008
>Didn't pay adequate attention to Benghazi security requests

That's literally everything I could find against Clinton in her Wikipedia article that's worth talking about, and some of those are real stretches (particularly Benghazi). Especially when combined with the stuff she's accomplished, I can't say I'm terribly upset with her. Obviously, her record is not ideal, and if somebody better comes along somehow they'll get my vote, but I'm still completely comfortable voting for her. Particularly given her competition.

[smjjames]

Whitewater? Wasn't that like 20 years ago?

*checks wiki*

Edit: Yeah that was about 20 years ago. I only vaguely remember something about whitewater. I was a kid and didn't pay much attention to politics at the time.

[Bauglir]

I tried to be thorough, in the interests of fairness. Learned some things, too! I had no idea she was on Wal-Mart's board of directors for a while in the late 80s, early 90s, for example. Research is fun, but it failed to turn up any particularly damning misdeeds.

[mainiac]

Whitewater? Wasn't that like 20 years ago?

*checks wiki*

Edit: Yeah that was about 20 years ago. I only vaguely remember something about whitewater. I was a kid and didn't pay much attention to politics at the time.

It's an important one!  It was the first of the modern era abuse-the-press-rules "scandals".  Understanding it is vital to understanding why the political cycle is so dysfunctional.

[Flying Dice]

Yep, Whitewater was to the role of press in politics what Gingrich's time as Speaker of the House was to the flow of the legislative process. It also helps explain why Clinton was able to handle Benghazi so well: she's already seen an attempt to fabricate a scandal from whole cloth in an effort to disrupt a presidential campaign, and she has experience dealing with it.

Can't we just elect Optimus Prime?  He'd be abut forty million times better than these douchebags.

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is a hell of a lot better than any hackneyed campaign slogan we're likely to hear, truth be told.

[FearfulJesuit]

It's official.

[SalmonGod]

Hillary gets serious.

[FearfulJesuit]

Rubio also makes it official.

[Zangi]

My view of Republican Primary:
"KNIFE FIGHT! KNIFE FIGHT! KNIFE FIGHT!"

In actual news... 2 Republican Politicians commit suicide.  Possibly, the first did so over the corruption within the state and the ad-fueled mudslinging.  The other's reasoning is a bit more cryptic.

[PTTG??]

If Hillary won the nomination, I would seriously fear for her life. There are a lot of people who are afraid she'll take their peni guns.

[Zangi]

That is what the secret service is supposed to be for?  I'm not sure how it works, but don't they end up protecting presidential candidates at some point?
At the very least, they've apparently managed to keep a black man and his family alive so far.

[NullForceOmega]

He isn't anti-gun.

Anyway, I'm seriously about ready to start pushing Prime/Eeyore 2016.  I hate these worthless politicians and everything they stand for.

[smjjames]

Eeyore? Meh, he'll just make people feel depressed or something.

Not sure if Eeyore is supposed to be a depressed character or a mellow character.

Anyhow, does anybody remember whether the democrat lineup looked as small as it does now in past elections? Not counting incumbent democrat president.

Both parties were pretty enthusiastic in '08.

[mainiac]

Anyhow, does anybody remember whether the democrat lineup looked as small as it does now in past elections? Not counting incumbent democrat president.

2000, Al Gore faced only 1 real opponent and won every single primary.  So if O'Malley and Biden both run we will have more nominal opposition then in 2000.

[RedKing]

Anyhow, does anybody remember whether the democrat lineup looked as small as it does now in past elections? Not counting incumbent democrat president.

2000, Al Gore faced only 1 real opponent and won every single primary.  So if O'Malley and Biden both run we will have more nominal opposition then in 2000.

That could have something to do with Gore being the sitting VP. There's sort of an unwritten rule that if the veep is running (after the sitting President is ineligible because of term limits) that you don't run against him from within your own party.

Biden hasn't enjoyed that kind of respect from the Democratic Party because...well

1) He's Joe Biden.
2) The force that is Mecha-Hillary.

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