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[Bauglir]

Yet some people refuse to admit it's happening, or don't think it's caused by humans. Even if it's not 100% caused by humans, we are still driving a large part of it. There aren't enough volcanic eruptions to explain the rise of CO2 since industrialization began if it wasn't caused by humans.

Not in academia, is my point. The only remaining discussion to be had is political - anybody who's not convinced of the factual situation by now never will be, because facts are clearly not relevant to what they believe on the matter. I was specifically referring to

Global heating is just obnoxiously political, I basically ignore any politician who brings it up.  The whole conversation should be academic, because nothing short of a totally authoritarian government could stop people from using IC engines (runnen' off moonshine if gasoline isn't refined anywhere) and hydrocarbon powerplants (ie generators if it's illegal to use central powerplants).

which may not have been clear.

[smjjames]

Yet some people refuse to admit it's happening, or don't think it's caused by humans. Even if it's not 100% caused by humans, we are still driving a large part of it. There aren't enough volcanic eruptions to explain the rise of CO2 since industrialization began if it wasn't caused by humans.

... are they still doing the volcano thing? That's, just... just. So trivially discountable? Last I checked the numbers, anyway. Think it came out to something like every year of human output for the last while has matched the totality of somewhere around a few (several? Dozen?) centuries of volcanic CO2 output. It's something ridiculous like that

The volcano thing was actually just an example that I thought of off the top of my head.

[FearfulJesuit]

RedKing, your senator has gone even fuller retard.

[Frumple]

Welp. Note to self: No visiting restaurants if in NC.

[SalmonGod]

I don't understand how people can be doubting of our ability to effect the planet on such a scale.  We tear down mountains and build islands.  We shoot explosives at the sky to ward off bad weather.  And all that is mostly just for fun.  I've personally watched a landscape close to where I live transformed so heavily within a span of a few months that the view all the way to the horizon was completely unrecognizable.  I'm talking large hills removed and other hills added elsewhere (re-building a major interstate just outside of the airport to add overpasses and stuff).

And stuff of that scale is small-time for us!  By comparison, the entirety of industrial civilization is founded on the process of digging carbon up out of the ground, and putting it in the atmosphere.  This process is humanity's single most intense and dedicated project ever, going on a couple hundred years.  How anybody can say "there's no way our activity could be effecting the planet on such a scale" is beyond my comprehension.

Just had to vent that.

[i2amroy]

Yet some people refuse to admit it's happening, or don't think it's caused by humans. Even if it's not 100% caused by humans, we are still driving a large part of it. There aren't enough volcanic eruptions to explain the rise of CO2 since industrialization began if it wasn't caused by humans.

Not in academia, is my point. The only remaining discussion to be had is political - anybody who's not convinced of the factual situation by now never will be, because facts are clearly not relevant to what they believe on the matter.

I still think we should start having mathmatically representative debates on climate change.

[bahihs]

Yet some people refuse to admit it's happening, or don't think it's caused by humans. Even if it's not 100% caused by humans, we are still driving a large part of it. There aren't enough volcanic eruptions to explain the rise of CO2 since industrialization began if it wasn't caused by humans.

Not in academia, is my point. The only remaining discussion to be had is political - anybody who's not convinced of the factual situation by now never will be, because facts are clearly not relevant to what they believe on the matter.

I still think we should start having mathmatically representative debates on climate change.

Wait wait wait wait...owls EXIST? I have reorganize my life now.

[Frumple]

Owls do exist. And they don't taste all that good.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

RedKing, your senator has gone even fuller retard.

Hey, they're misrepresenting his position, atleast read the quote in its full context!

“Don’t you believe that this regulation that requires this gentlemen to wash his hands before he serves your food is important?” Tillis was asked by the person at his table.

“I think it’s one I can illustrate the point,” Tillis told the women. “I said, I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as the post a sign that says ‘We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restrooms.’ The market will take care of that.”

“That’s probably one where every business that did that would go out of business,” he added. “But I think it’s good to illustrate the point that that’s the sort of mentality that we need to have to reduce the regulatory burden on this country.”

“We’re one of the most regulated nations in the history of the planet, and I think if we go about it in a common sense way that that solves a lot of problems. It makes these other big problems that we’re talking about imminently more easy to solve.”

Okay, it's even more pants-on-head retarded reading the whole statement. The fuck is he even talking about?

[Lord Shonus]

I think he's trying to say that there's things that are so self-correcting that they don't need to be regulated against, as market pressure would focus things in the direction we're trying to push them in. While he's not entirely wrong, that sort of market pressure is far too slow and disorganized to be useful.

[RedKing]

RedKing, your senator has gone even fuller retard.

Oh Internet...you never disappoint.

Also, I love the comments pointing out that he wants to replace regulations requiring employees to wash their hands, with a regulation requiring that they post a sign stating that they don't follow sanitation regulations.

Mind you, this is the fucktard that presided over a legislature that created a separate commission for education to oversee things normally overseen by the Department of Education. All because the Department of Education had too many entrenched bureaucrats (i.e. people who do this for a living and weren't particularly partisan) whereas the commission was appointed by the legislature and therefore purely beholden to their political masters. But they'll claim they're for small government at the same time that their answer to everything is to create a new commission or agency. CONSERVATISM -- UR DOIN IT WRONG

I can also say that while I get his horrific hilariously badly demonstrated point, business does and will find a way to get around or minimize disclosure. As they do all the time. It's only because of stringent FDA regulations that you hear ANYTHING about drug side effects in commercials now. We're not that far removed from the days of Dr. Jensen's Miraculous Cure-All Laudanum (guaranteed to relieve pain, fever, dengue, scoliosis, bluetongue, and genital warts! Now with 10% less spontaneous combustion!).

Even the little sanitation grade things at the restaurant....if it's a good grade, it's posted right in the window when you walk in. If it's a shitty grade, it's going to be behind a potted plant somewhere back near the kitchen. The rules say it has to be displayed "prominently" but there's often little guidance as to what that means.

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By the way, that little arc? That's what passed for his brain making a leap for it.

[Twi]

RedKing, your senator has gone even fuller retard.

Oh Internet...you never disappoint.

Also, I love the comments pointing out that he wants to replace regulations requiring employees to wash their hands, with a regulation requiring that they post a sign stating that they don't follow sanitation regulations.

Mind you, this is the fucktard that presided over a legislature that created a separate commission for education to oversee things normally overseen by the Department of Education. All because the Department of Education had too many entrenched bureaucrats (i.e. people who do this for a living and weren't particularly partisan) whereas the commission was appointed by the legislature and therefore purely beholden to their political masters. But they'll claim they're for small government at the same time that their answer to everything is to create a new commission or agency. CONSERVATISM -- UR DOIN IT WRONG

I can also say that while I get his horrific hilariously badly demonstrated point, business does and will find a way to get around or minimize disclosure. As they do all the time. It's only because of stringent FDA regulations that you hear ANYTHING about drug side effects in commercials now. We're not that far removed from the days of Dr. Jensen's Miraculous Cure-All Laudanum (guaranteed to relieve pain, fever, dengue, scoliosis, bluetongue, and genital warts! Now with 10% less spontaneous combustion!).

Even the little sanitation grade things at the restaurant....if it's a good grade, it's posted right in the window when you walk in. If it's a shitty grade, it's going to be behind a potted plant somewhere back near the kitchen. The rules say it has to be displayed "prominently" but there's often little guidance as to what that means.

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By the way, that little arc? That's what passed for his brain making a leap for it.

I'm not sure whether the chance of a flamewar is worth posting about supplements demonstrating that we aren't actually removed from that line of thinking yet.

Define supplements. There's definitely a lot of stuff out there that is Probably Bullshit.

[scriver]

Well, while supplements is a valid idea in that we all probably need more of Something, it's generally a bullshit idea anyway in that the intake is generally much higher than we need and thus a lot of what we paid for thus gets wasted. So even when supplements are a good thing the business/practice is shitty.

[Sheo]

You know, while this makes me glad I'm not in the US, what I'll say is valid anywhere.

There's no candidate for moderates these days.

[Sheb]

I wouldn't say that. The politics of many countries is characterized by a center-right and a center-left parties that have policies so close to each others that it would be hard to tell them apart if they weren't color-coded. Look at the CDU and SPD, the PS and UMP...