And yes, Loud Whisper. I'm sorry, are you trying to say Turkey should be allowed full stop to keep the Kurds from trying to form their own country by any means necessary? Or that this is just as legitimate of a cause? You wanna call it mob rule? Fine. Call it mob rule. But don't just make The Worst Argument In The World and leave it at that. This is how democracy works. Yeah, we try to represent minorities too so it ain't tyranny of the majority. But a couple dozen guys trying to make a point via threats of violence is not acceptable. This isn't people trying to escape from an oppressive government. Or, fine, let's say it is. Taxes are a form of oppression, after all, so is arresting people for burning down forest so they can poach. But there's a reason that's considered acceptable while, say, genocide, isn't. Armenian genocide, for example, since we were talking about Turkey.
Erdogan did nothing wrong m8, this is a very arbitrary line to draw. Actual terrorist attacks on civvies is "how democracy works" whilst citizens occupying an abandoned outpost is terrorism lol
Also Kurds are not Christians, they were not Ottoman'd
Another question. You seem to be implying that having to abide by rules put in place by elected officials is authoritarian mob rule. Do you actually believe this?
Shit question, the people of Hong Kong have to abide by rules put in place by elected officials from a list of people they do not get to choose on the pretext that their interests do not matter in the face of the greater whole. Do you approve of obedience to rules put in place by elected officials even when the rules are unjust? What do you do when elected officials have the interest of others in mind then, and are bought by others? Still elected, will you still abide?
Because as far as I know, mob rule is associated with, say, whimsical decisions and disproportionate response, someone's popularity being the sole factor of their innocence or guilt.
USA in a nutshell
That has...basically nothing to do with what I was saying. I was actually talking about causes, rather than individuals put on trial, for example. Ongoing discontent due to oppression and wanting to escape it by creating a separate state is sorta similar between Turkey and this situation. It's just that the reasons for the oppression, the extent of the oppression, the number of people being oppressed, the methods used whilst attempting to create said state, and the relative character of the governments that are different.
Ongoing discontent due to oppression and wanting to escape it by creating a separate state versus ongoing discontent due to oppression and wanting to escape it by creating a separate state. One is accused of treason and is bombed whilst fighting continues, another is accused of treason and calls are being made even itt to bomb them and I hope for happenings it does.
When you say 'that's might makes right' about political movements and legitimacy, you have a point. A small one, but a point. Which is why I was, you know, also bringing up how relevant the particular situation was to the people supporting or opposing, and how reasonable the cause was beforehand.
In other words, Loud Whisper, if you're going to address my points, please actually do so. Don't just put out single lines mocking it and expect that to suffice as a legitimate argument. Please don't just say 'lol you support mob rule' with the implication that I'm an idiot. Because right now that is almost exactly what you're doing. Maybe that's not what you intended to do. But it's the way that it's coming across, and I really do not appreciate it.
M8
It's just discussion, amplify your relaxed states, I have no interest in proving anyone smarts or idiots. That is a futile endeavour and wins no one anything, I also do not really even distinguish between you and other people itt
Intereting sidenote: Political leaning is in large part dependent on whether you live in a city or the country. Don't know if that's what you meant by geography but I find it interesting.
Yep, though it also gets more detailed even within cities and the countryside. Murrica is also quite unique in that its countrysides are so varied, and its cities likewise for that matter (well, different enough)
Mmmm...Really?
They're an oppressed group trying to escape oppression? Cuz' that's what the oppression narrative was about. I mean, I still think that the Americans who settled Texas were assholes, but I don't think it's quite the same, actually.
Doesn't matter, it's an answer to the rhetorical question; if a bunch of Mexicans armed themselves up and staked out a chunk of the USA in Cali and claimed secession due to mistreatment, how would you all be then? Legitimate protest, or terrorists?
I'd say it'd be legit but advise for heavy policing