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[Shadowlord]

I wasn't even talking about Trump. 

Edit:

I have always presumed sides are lying through their teeth, but to propose I am categorically wrong and the world is categorically right is a rather impossible, as the world does not agree with itself.

You had to misperceive what I wrote, expanding it to encompass ALL OF THE THINGS instead of just deliberate media bias / propaganda, in order to reject it? Fascinating.

I mean, even this forum was incredulous over the CNBC debate.

I was amused by it, to be honest. Cruz was clever. Everyone else jumped on his attack-the-moderators tactic after he used it. Nobody else did it as well as he did, of course. Moderators either tried to "attack" the candidates, or get them to address their weaknesses and become stronger candidates. We know which one the candidates want everyone to believe, of course, which the audience in the room certainly bought - That it was hosted by the "lamestream media" should make it obvious. There were also amusing instances of moderators asking fact-based questions of candidates, which candidates responded to by rejected that reality and substituting their own, and the audience cheering the candidates. For instance, Ben Carson's mannatech answer. Check this out: https://youtu.be/0gO8ny1jins?t=6m

So with the latest press drive being "Trump is Hitler"

Hitler today would still be focused on genociding the Jews. His only concern with Muslims would be if they could be allies against the Jews - which he also did in real life. Being Hitler is not what anyone is accusing Trump of.

(... Maybe someone can explain "Hitlery," because it makes no fucking sense :V)

[RedKing]

I've seen the question and answer session in question and the only way you can draw that conclusion is confirming one's own biases. It was literally a screwball question thrown in the signature line after a speech by a faux fan (who happens to be a Hillary backer and former Talking Points Memo writer). Trump redirects to his border control wall spiel, and when asked if he would implement "that", agrees. Presto chango, "that" means armbands and concentration camps. CNN even selectively edits the tape to remove his words about building a wall, so "that" is clearly the registry suggested by the operative.

How do you not see this as bullshit?

Because it's more than just the one comment.
To be fair, Trump doesn't help matters by rambling like that one uncle at Thanksgiving dinner who's been hitting the wine bottle just a little too hard.

[Flying Dice]

I'm still not entirely sure if he genuinely believes all this shit or if he's just decided to go all-in on the racist xenophobe demographic.

RedKing: There's quite a bit, apparently, that was plagiarized from older polytheistic religions which were considered false, with the serial numbers filed off, but that copying was apparently common practice back then.

A truly astonishing amount of the Abrahamic mythos is cribbed from the notes of earlier religions, to the point where in modern parlance it's basically "original character donut steel".

[scriver]

That's just how myth culture works. Aphrodite was a Phoenecian goddess and all that nonsense.

Is it known whether the Sumerian and other mesopotamian cultures were semitic or something else?

[smjjames]

That's just how myth culture works. Aphrodite was a Phoenecian goddess and all that nonsense.

Is it known whether the Sumerian and other mesopotamian cultures were semitic or something else?

No, but the Jews did spend some time in Babylon, so theres definetly exposure to mesopotamian culture.

[mainiac]

No, but the Jews did spend some time in Babylon, so theres definetly exposure to mesopotamian culture.

Such as angels and Satan.

[smjjames]

No, but the Jews did spend some time in Babylon, so theres definetly exposure to mesopotamian culture.

Such as angels and Satan.

Good spirits and evil beings aren't unique to mesopotamia anyway.

Anyhow, we're going off topic with this religion tangent.

[scriver]

I did look it up on Wikipedia after posting (yeah yeah, think first, talk later, whatever ) and while Sumerian itself seems to be of unknown origin and without known relatives, the the other languages of the Mesopotamian area were indeed Semitic. The region was home to both Sumerian and the east Semitic Accadian, which grew together, although Accadian became the dominate over time. Both the Babylonian and Assyrian peoples spoke Accadian, for example.

So anyway if they're different parts of the same culture tree it's not much of a surprise they share mythical content. It's not necessarily taking from the other any more than Norse/Greek/Hindu religions and myths are stealing from each for sharing similarities.

[SirQuiamus]

I've seen the question and answer session in question and the only way you can draw that conclusion is confirming one's own biases. It was literally a screwball question thrown in the signature line after a speech by a faux fan (who happens to be a Hillary backer and former Talking Points Memo writer). Trump redirects to his border control wall spiel, and when asked if he would implement "that", agrees. Presto chango, "that" means armbands and concentration camps. CNN even selectively edits the tape to remove his words about building a wall, so "that" is clearly the registry suggested by the operative.

How do you not see this as bullshit?

Because it's more than just the one comment.
To be fair, Trump doesn't help matters by rambling like that one uncle at Thanksgiving dinner who's been hitting the wine bottle just a little too hard.

This just confirms what everyone's been suspecting all along. Trump uses English like a gorilla uses sign language: only to get things from people and make people do things for him---rarely, if ever, to express abstract ideas or communicate coherent propositions like a human being. There's no reason to assume that he's got literal Hitler flowing through his veins, but considering that he has almost surpassed Hitler in terms of absolute solipsistic insanity, would it really matter much if he did?

Incidentally, here's some more unremitting humour horror from the parallel Trumpverse: Rock-stupid dipshit cartoonist considers Trump a rhetorical genius.

Adams, who has classified Trump as a “Clown Genius” and an “unstoppable” master of persuasion, couches much of his analysis in the idea that Trump is an expert at “linguistic kill shots” (think: “low-energy” Jeb Bush) and that his months of political fortune have defied virtually every prediction the American pundit class has hurled his way.
“This has nothing to do with any logic,” Adams told The Daily Beast. “But history has turned on a few people—like the Founding Fathers and Jesus Christ come to mind—who used the same tricks: They describe to people a better vision of themselves. And Trump fits into that [model] in the most direct way you could possibly do. He’s saying, ‘You’re an American, I’m going to make you feel great.’”

This literally the most tragic thing that could happen to the intellectual legacy of the Enlightenment and the American Revolution.

[mainiac]

Good spirits and evil beings aren't unique to mesopotamia anyway.

Sure, but it's hardly a coincidence that a large Jewish community migrated into the heart of the Zoroastrian religion and then all of a sudden Judaism has these angels whose role and defining characteristic (humans with big honkin' wings) is the exact same as the Zoroastrian one.

Anyhow, we're going off topic with this religion tangent.

There was a topic?

[Shadowlord]

Rock-stupid dipshit cartoonist considers Trump a rhetorical genius.

Adams, who has classified Trump as a “Clown Genius” and an “unstoppable” master of persuasion, couches much of his analysis in the idea that Trump is an expert at “linguistic kill shots” (think: “low-energy” Jeb Bush) and that his months of political fortune have defied virtually every prediction the American pundit class has hurled his way.
“This has nothing to do with any logic,” Adams told The Daily Beast. “But history has turned on a few people—like the Founding Fathers and Jesus Christ come to mind—who used the same tricks: They describe to people a better vision of themselves. And Trump fits into that [model] in the most direct way you could possibly do. He’s saying, ‘You’re an American, I’m going to make you feel great.’”

This literally the most tragic thing that could happen to the intellectual legacy of the Enlightenment and the American Revolution.

Clown Genius? He's no Joker, and he's certainly not giving people a better vision of themselves, unless Adams thinks a better vision of Trump's supporters would be them casting out or suppressing every racial group that Trump can stereotype as terrorists, rapists, murderers, etc, and beating up (or worse) anyone who dares oppose them, in an America where black lives don't matter and fact-checking and history are liberal conspiracies.

I'm going to wager that Nate Silver is more likely to be correct than Scott Adams.

[Reelya]

That's just how myth culture works. Aphrodite was a Phoenecian goddess and all that nonsense.

Possibly cribbed from Egyptian goddess Hathor too, since the etymology is correct and there is a 1:1 relationship between almost all Egyptian gods and Mycenean ones. There's also no mystery about how the Phoenecians influenced Greek culture. The Phoenecians were a great seafaring people who settled everywhere from the black sea to Portugal. The idea that they never made it to Greece is actually a modern concept conceived by 18th century Germanic scholars who were massive anti-semitic douchebags and didn't like the idea that semites and North African peoples had an influence on early European culture. Since Greece was seen as the cradle of Europe, they literally "whitewashed" Greek culture, projecting the 18th century's emerging white European supremacy viewpoint onto the ancient Greeks.

Actually there are greek tales of specific cities in Greece having been either colonized or conquered by both the Phoenecians and Egyptians. e.g:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus
The white supremacist scholars (who used to be 100% mainstream a century or two ago) claim the Greeks were lying or deluded about their own non-European heritage.

[Helgoland]

Good spirits and evil beings aren't unique to mesopotamia anyway.

Sure, but it's hardly a coincidence that a large Jewish community migrated into the heart of the Zoroastrian religion and then all of a sudden Judaism has these angels whose role and defining characteristic (humans with big honkin' wings) is the exact same as the Zoroastrian one.

Aren't the angels in the bible usually fairly trippy creatures, having about a thousand eyes evenly spread over their body and other such things?

[origamiscienceguy]

Good spirits and evil beings aren't unique to mesopotamia anyway.

Sure, but it's hardly a coincidence that a large Jewish community migrated into the heart of the Zoroastrian religion and then all of a sudden Judaism has these angels whose role and defining characteristic (humans with big honkin' wings) is the exact same as the Zoroastrian one.

Aren't the angels in the bible usually fairly trippy creatures, having about a thousand eyes evenly spread over their body and other such things?

That's the seraphim. They have 6 wings, and eyes everywhere.

[penguinofhonor]

Some angels are incomprehensible monsters, some just appear as people. I don't think any angels in the bible appear as humans with wings though.