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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1571728 times)

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« Reply #300 on: February 04, 2015, 08:20:22 am »

I wouldn't say that. The politics of many countries is characterized by a center-right and a center-left parties that have policies so close to each others that it would be hard to tell them apart if they weren't color-coded. Look at the CDU and SPD, the PS and UMP...
But these "center-left" and "center right" are just excuses for lazy parties that usually slowly try to progress towards their tilted side. That is not what I mean by moderate, as I'm being led by one of those parties at this very moment. (Brazil's PT, center-left)

What I mean is an active party that tries to balance out the best each side has to offer - in my own opinion, the quest for more equality of the left without the extremist bits or the constant economic mishaps.
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« Reply #301 on: February 04, 2015, 08:24:09 am »

Oh, I think we have a terminology problem, I'd term such parties "radical centrist". Of course, no one agrees what are the best parts of each side...
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #302 on: February 04, 2015, 10:27:36 am »

What I mean is an active party that tries to balance out the best each side has to offer - in my own opinion, the quest for more equality of the left without the extremist bits or the constant economic mishaps.
So a party Sheo, probably? Everyone considers themselves moderate.
Well, not everybody, but most sensible people.
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #303 on: February 04, 2015, 11:45:37 am »

RedKing, your senator has gone even fuller retard.
Oh Internet...you never disappoint.

Also, I love the comments pointing out that he wants to replace regulations requiring employees to wash their hands, with a regulation requiring that they post a sign stating that they don't follow sanitation regulations.

Mind you, this is the fucktard that presided over a legislature that created a separate commission for education to oversee things normally overseen by the Department of Education. All because the Department of Education had too many entrenched bureaucrats (i.e. people who do this for a living and weren't particularly partisan) whereas the commission was appointed by the legislature and therefore purely beholden to their political masters. But they'll claim they're for small government at the same time that their answer to everything is to create a new commission or agency. CONSERVATISM -- UR DOIN IT WRONG

I can also say that while I get his horrific hilariously badly demonstrated point, business does and will find a way to get around or minimize disclosure. As they do all the time. It's only because of stringent FDA regulations that you hear ANYTHING about drug side effects in commercials now. We're not that far removed from the days of Dr. Jensen's Miraculous Cure-All Laudanum (guaranteed to relieve pain, fever, dengue, scoliosis, bluetongue, and genital warts! Now with 10% less spontaneous combustion!).

Even the little sanitation grade things at the restaurant....if it's a good grade, it's posted right in the window when you walk in. If it's a shitty grade, it's going to be behind a potted plant somewhere back near the kitchen. The rules say it has to be displayed "prominently" but there's often little guidance as to what that means.

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I'm not sure whether the chance of a flamewar is worth posting about supplements demonstrating that we aren't actually removed from that line of thinking yet.
Agreed, but there is a difference. For the most part, supplements are mildly beneficial at best, and useless at worst (not including issues of Chinese-made supplements tainted with God-knows-what). As a result, I wouldn't support regulation requiring food service employees to take herbal supplements to keep their health good (after all, a sick food service worker is a public health problem). But it's not like not washing hands doesn't make much difference. Plenty of recorded hepatitis outbreaks to disprove that notion.

I think a larger topic here (and this dovetails with the recent love affair conservatives are having with the anti-vaxxer crowd) is this notion of personal freedom vs. public good. Conservatives, especially those of a libertarian streak, tend to come down hard on the side of personal liberty while liberals tend to come down on the side of public good. Public health though, is an area where I feel like it's incredibly irresponsible to have a boilerplate libertarian response, which is what you're seeing from Rand Paul, from Christie (in a more nuanced form), and recently from Rush Limbaugh who compared anti-vaxxers to Galileo (in that they were being persecuted as "heretics").

I would love to see someone ask them if that means someone potentially infected with Ebola shouldn't be forced to restrict themselves to quarantine. After all, that's a big-government infringement on personal liberty, in the name of some nebulous "greater good". The consistent Republican response should be to have the suspected Ebola carrier to merely disclose this fact as they go about their daily business (hopefully, their first order of business being to go personally thank their Republican representatives for defending their personal liberties with a big warm hug...)
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #304 on: February 04, 2015, 11:50:58 am »

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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #305 on: February 04, 2015, 12:09:39 pm »

I've heard there's black people in Africa.

But yeah I've read something similar, can't remember if it was Christie^2 though.
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #306 on: February 04, 2015, 12:22:01 pm »

Didn't Chris Christie quarantine someone who went to Africa even though they weren't exposed to Ebola?
He did. Or something along those lines.
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #307 on: February 04, 2015, 12:30:05 pm »

*sigh*...

Its just a reality of the nature of personal liberty that it only works so far as it doesn't conflict with others.  This can play out as direct personal conflict or establishments that collect and enforce agreements.  In my opinion both ways are better suited to different situations, but anyone convinced that valuing personal liberty means no one will stop you from doing whatever the fuck you want, even if it means pissing on their lawn, is delusional.
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #308 on: February 04, 2015, 01:34:11 pm »

Look, I said I was sorry about the lawn thing. The grass grew back, after all...
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« Reply #309 on: February 04, 2015, 01:44:10 pm »

Yeah, but only we got a backhoe to clear out the soil and replace it with new sod!
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #310 on: February 04, 2015, 02:26:21 pm »

Yeah, but only we got a backhoe to clear out the soil and replace it with new sod!
Which meant somebody got paid for all that work! Yay, I'm a job creator!
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #311 on: February 04, 2015, 02:42:34 pm »

Oh so the secret to getting America back on track was inside our pants the whole time.
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« Reply #312 on: February 04, 2015, 04:45:46 pm »

Yes, because I keep my gun in my waistband.

This is a gun rights joke, not a mass murder joke.
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Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« Reply #313 on: February 04, 2015, 04:48:16 pm »

Yes, because I keep my gun in my waistband.

This is a gun rights joke, not a mass murder joke.

That's just askin' for trouble.
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« Reply #314 on: February 04, 2015, 04:48:41 pm »

Oh so the secret to getting America back on track was inside our pants the whole time.

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