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[mainiac]

Well that's a whole other part of problem.

[Amperzand]

@Playergamer: There are actually a few old guns, mostly simple semi-autos from around the turn of the century, and mostly handguns, that can be altered from firing once a trigger pull to until the trigger is released by removing small otherwise useless bits of metal. They're useless as hell like that, and trying to do it to a modern weapon seems inadvisable, but that stands. It was more geeky trivia than anything.

[Orange Wizard]

The real problem with gun control in the U.S. is that there are already so many weapons in the wild that it'd take major political will to get everything non-legal under whatever new legislation was enacted.

Australia used to have this problem, so they did a trade-in dealy followed by a crackdown on people who didn't trade their now-illegal weapons in. Obviously that'd be arse to pass in the US, but it's not like gun saturation isn't solvable.

If you dont like tyrannical despotism then dont vote for it.

Haha, what? It's usually a lack of voting that leads to despotism.

[evilcherry]

This thread moves too fast.  Whenever I see someone I want to respond to, there's already someone who's responded to it and said what I was gonna say.  I like discussions about guns, I wanna be a part. >.<

FD's right though, our problem is just that serious gun restrictions aren't really practical within the short term.  I imagine gun control will get better at a glacier's pace, but not in any immediately meaningful way, and probably with very stupid and nigh-useless steps like restricting assault weapons.

Unless a battalion armed with AR-15 and other automatic weapons tried to storm the white house or congress.

[Shadowlord]

AR-15 is not automatic. You want the M-16.

[evilcherry]

AR-15 is not automatic. You want the M-16.

Modified to be auto, of course. Nor it actually matters.

[Rolan7]

The fact that he chose a gay club is only secondary to his decision to carry on a terrorist attack, which in itself is only a byproduct of his radical islamic thinking.

It's just like in the hypercacher in Paris terrorist attack it was obvious why one of the terrorists chose jews, but it was also obvious that if it wasn't jews, it would have been others, so killing Jews was not the reason for the terrorist attack in the first place.

His prime motivation in Orlando was not to kill gays, it was to kill Americans. killing American gays, just like killing French Jews in Paris, is considered in their twisted minds like "Hitting two birds with one stone".

Or do you still believe his father statement that he was simply "angry about seeing two gay men kiss in Miami"? because that dad also stated his own support for his brothers in the Taliban.

Over a hundred gay people get shot, but it's only "secondary" that they were gay?  If they hadn't been gay/jews, they wouldn't be gay/jews, so it wasn't because they were gay/jews?
So then it was only "secondary" that today's attacks were against Americans.  If it wasn't Americans it would have been someone else.

They chose gay targets because their doctrine makes a big deal of homosexuals deserving death.  The Koran is VERY explicit about that.  Much more so than the Bible.  It wasn't just convenience, I guess I find that idea offensive or something.

The Bible also condemns homosexuality, but much less harshly, and fortunately most Christians don't follow the entire Bible overly closely.  For now, anyway.  So sorry if I find Christianity a bit threatening...  Islam is more than a bit threatening.

Sure, #NotAllMuslims.  But the condemnation of homosexuals is there in the Koran and Old Testament.  It's not disrespectful to be scared of that.
(The condemnation of Jews in the Koran, too.  It's... not subtle.)

[evilcherry]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) the incident has been politicized beyond all hope.

Trump now called once again for (basically) Deportation of Muslims, HRC wanted solidarity with LGBTQ, and Sanders called his shots on gun ownership.

[Neonivek]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) the incident has been politicized beyond all hope.

Trump now called once again for (basically) Deportation of Muslims, HRC wanted solidarity with LGBTQ, and Sanders called his shots on gun ownership.

It is sad that the one thing that could REALLY help Trump right now would be Muslim terrorists.

[Shadowlord]

I don't know about that. Clinton has experience and knowledge, Trump just has bluster and ignorance.

[Vilanat]

The fact that he chose a gay club is only secondary to his decision to carry on a terrorist attack, which in itself is only a byproduct of his radical islamic thinking.

It's just like in the hypercacher in Paris terrorist attack it was obvious why one of the terrorists chose jews, but it was also obvious that if it wasn't jews, it would have been others, so killing Jews was not the reason for the terrorist attack in the first place.

His prime motivation in Orlando was not to kill gays, it was to kill Americans. killing American gays, just like killing French Jews in Paris, is considered in their twisted minds like "Hitting two birds with one stone".

Or do you still believe his father statement that he was simply "angry about seeing two gay men kiss in Miami"? because that dad also stated his own support for his brothers in the Taliban.

Over a hundred gay people get shot, but it's only "secondary" that they were gay?  If they hadn't been gay/jews, they wouldn't be gay/jews, so it wasn't because they were gay/jews?
So then it was only "secondary" that today's attacks were against Americans.  If it wasn't Americans it would have been someone else.

They chose gay targets because their doctrine makes a big deal of homosexuals deserving death.  The Koran is VERY explicit about that.  Much more so than the Bible.  It wasn't just convenience, I guess I find that idea offensive or something.

The Bible also condemns homosexuality, but much less harshly, and fortunately most Christians don't follow the entire Bible overly closely.  For now, anyway.  So sorry if I find Christianity a bit threatening...  Islam is more than a bit threatening.

Sure, #NotAllMuslims.  But the condemnation of homosexuals is there in the Koran and Old Testament.  It's not disrespectful to be scared of that.
(The condemnation of Jews in the Koran, too.  It's... not subtle.)

I am trying really hard to understand how it contradicts anything i said.

Nobody said he randomly stepped into a Gay bar and started spraying people, i am saying he first decided to spray people because he is a radical Islamic nutbag, then decided to do so in a Gay club to spray people because he is a radical Islamic nutbag, so yes, that the targets were Gay is only secondary to his decision to kill people. how is that offensive to you, even if you are gay, is beyond me.

And yes, if he had lived in Europe, he would have probably gone killing Europeans. again, i can't quite see how that contradicts anything i said.

[Sheb]

Its hard to say though. Its entirely possible that the hatred of gays pushed him to become an islamist nutbag.

[Neonivek]

Its hard to say though. Its entirely possible that the hatred of gays pushed him to become an islamist nutbag.

It is all impossible to say.

A lot of the time psychos go after what they consider "acceptable targets" and will seek out justification for their actions in anyway they can.

[Orange Wizard]

So sorry if I find Christianity a bit threatening...  Islam is more than a bit threatening.

Southern US Christians are probably one civil war away from starting their own organised terror groups (if you can argue that they haven't already). There's not really that much difference between them.

[Neonivek]

So sorry if I find Christianity a bit threatening...  Islam is more than a bit threatening.

Southern US Christians are probably one civil war away from starting their own organised terror groups (if you can argue that they haven't already). There's not really that much difference between them.

Well in all fairness they did AT LEAST give the condition where they will start a civil war.

Basically if they take their guns.