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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18225 on: May 21, 2016, 04:35:43 pm »

I'm pretty sure Trump does his own. Who else could?

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18227 on: May 23, 2016, 10:35:12 am »

John Oliver on trying to fix the broken primary process.

This kind of reporting annoys me.  It's basically just a constant chant of "this is flawed!" which you hear constantly in all american discussions of politics.  Yes, we know.  Everyone knows.  But nothing in this life is perfect.  Nothing.  The way that people chose lanes at the grocery stores is clearly flawed.  The military procedures that resulted in an artillery strike on a red cross hospital in Afghanistan are clearly flawed.  Just saying something is flawed doesn't cut it!

John Oliver says that the republicans got "lucky" because the winning candidate is the one with the most votes, Trump.  But Trump is such a clear example of a broken system.  He is a plurality candidate, not a majority.  He won because his chief opponent, Cruz, was factional.  A whole lot of candidates dont like him.  The system isn't working in a big way but he just papers over that by pointing out that Trump got a plurality.

Basically, I think it's flawed.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18228 on: May 23, 2016, 12:18:48 pm »

The way that people chose lanes at the grocery stores is clearly flawed.

How so?

My choice is very optimal! I always choose self-checkout and never have to wait in line. (It helps to use one of the scanner things where you scan what you're buying while you're putting it in your cart, and the resulting list is just loaded into the checkout computer when you go to check out, so you're done checkout in a minute or so.)
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18229 on: May 23, 2016, 12:40:26 pm »

One of the grocery stores near me got rid of the self checkout because not enough people used it.  Clearly these people are idiots.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18230 on: May 23, 2016, 12:50:12 pm »

I think both parties would be better off if they switched to something like approval voting for the primaries--that way, it would be less about who has the biggest faction and more about who has the broadest support among voters as a whole.

Full disclosure: Using this poll as a guide, I have calculated that my favored candidate would likely have a slight delegate lead over his opponent under approval voting; I am therefore somewhat biased.

The way that people chose lanes at the grocery stores is clearly flawed.

How so?
IIRC, studies have shown that having a line for each register is much slower than having one big line and calling customers up to a register as soon as it becomes available.
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« Reply #18231 on: May 23, 2016, 01:12:51 pm »

Clearly these people are idiots.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18232 on: May 23, 2016, 01:20:20 pm »

IIRC, studies have shown that having a line for each register is much slower than having one big line and calling customers up to a register as soon as it becomes available.
... huh. Would those studies also have noted any increase in violence regarding that setup? Because that seems like a near perfect way to cause more dustups in the middle of a store...
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18233 on: May 23, 2016, 01:26:54 pm »

The way that people chose lanes at the grocery stores is clearly flawed.

How so?

My choice is very optimal! *snip*
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18234 on: May 23, 2016, 01:45:33 pm »

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18235 on: May 23, 2016, 02:07:51 pm »

Would those studies also have noted any increase in violence regarding that setup?
Not that I recall. A single line which is feeding N different registers will tend to move forward about N times as fast as one feeding a single register, so even if the line is longer you spend less time just standing there.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18236 on: May 23, 2016, 02:28:05 pm »

Where do you place the long line?  Presumably you dont want it snaking from one side of the store to the other.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18237 on: May 23, 2016, 02:29:31 pm »

Parallel to the registers. A lot of shops where I live use that system.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18238 on: May 23, 2016, 02:30:37 pm »

IIRC, studies have shown that having a line for each register is much slower than having one big line and calling customers up to a register as soon as it becomes available.
I recently saw a Mythbusters episode which tested this. Single line with N cash registers is not faster than letting people choose which of the N registers to queue for. It did increase customer satisfaction though, possibly because a single line is percieved as a more fair system. Slower, though.

Not that I recall. A single line which is feeding N different registers will tend to move forward about N times as fast as one feeding a single register, so even if the line is longer you spend less time just standing there.
That says nothing about whether a single line with N cash registers would be faster than N lines with N cash registers.
What you're saying there is just 'adding more cash registers makes things go faster'. Which is pretty obvious
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #18239 on: May 23, 2016, 03:05:38 pm »

Yeah it's pretty straightforward, splitting the line up shouldn't make a difference in speed unless some of the aisles are sitting unused while people are still waiting in line.  Which does happen, but people naturally avoid that by trying to join the shortest line.  And I've had the clerks invite me to an open aisle a couple times when I wasn't paying attention.

So I'd expect split-lines to be marginally slower because of that.  I prefer standing relatively still and using my phone, though.  It's also a better opportunity for the store to sell those candies and magazines in the checkout aisle, that's trickier with a combined fast-moving line.
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