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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17010 on: April 29, 2016, 01:48:21 pm »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/11/trump_i_have_more_respect_for_women_than_hillary_clinton_has_she_destroyed_women.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-personal-life/

Someone on Trump's campaign staff is entirely too clever. First the no-fuss acceptance of trans folk, now attacking Clinton as an enabler of Bill's sexual abuse of other women.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17011 on: April 29, 2016, 02:15:07 pm »

Yeah, I'm convinced that he'll just make the US go default the first chance he gets and then bask in the hatred lobbed at him.

Anyway, an interesting thing this morning, the Trump vs Clinton head to head shows a tie, but then again, theres a pretty big percent, 16% of the total, that would vote for some other candidate. Not neccesarily unified under a single candidate.

Where the heck is a great third party candidate this year?.....
The self proclaimed greatest runs with the Republicans.

There isn't.

It was a rhetorical question guys.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17012 on: April 29, 2016, 02:39:18 pm »

I was just listening to the Lion King's soundtrack, and was struck by a thought.

'Be Prepared' could practically be the theme song for Trump's campaign.

I mean:
1) Promises of economic benefit
2) In return for joining fascism
3) Undisguised contempt for everyone, even supposed allies
4) Not bothering to pretend this is anything other than a power grab
5) Alternating threats and promises (you won't get a sniff without me, etc).

Lyrics
So, prepare for the chance of a lifetime
Be prepared for sensational news
A shining, new era
Is tiptoeing nearer
Shenzi: And where do we feature?
Scar: Just listen to teacher

I know it sounds sordid
But you'll be rewarded
When at last, I am given my dues
And injustice deliciously squared
Scar/Hyena Clan: Be prepared!

[Speech]
Banzai: Yeah, be prepared! We'll be prepared! For what?
Scar: For the death of the king!
Banzai: Why? Is he sick?
Scar: No, fool, we're gonna kill him. And Simba, too.
Shenzi: Great idea! Who needs a king?
Shenzi and Banzai: No king! No king! La-la-la-la-la-la!
Scar: Idiots! There will be a king!
Banzai: Hey, but you said, uh...
Scar: I will be king! Stick with me, and you'll never go hungry again!
Shenzi and Banzai (Variously): Yay! All right! Long live the king!
Hyena Clan: Long live the king! Long live the king!

Hyena Clan: King, king, king, king, king, king!
It's great that we'll soon be connected
With a king who'll be all time adored
Scar: Of course, quid pro quo, you're expected
To take certain duties on board

The future is littered with prizes
And though I'm the main addressee
The point that I must emphasize is
You won't get a sniff without me!!!

Scar: *So prepare for the coup of the century
Be prepared for the murkiest scam (Hyena Clan: Oooh... la, la, la!)
Meticulous planning (Hyena Clan: We'll have food!)
Tenacity spanning (Hyena Clan: Lots of food!)
Decades of denial (Hyena Clan: We repeat!)
Is simply why I'll (Hyena Clan: Endless meat!)

Be king, undisputed
Respected, saluted
And seen, for the wonder I am
Yes, my teeth and ambitions are bared
Scar/Hyena Clan: Be prepared!
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17013 on: April 29, 2016, 02:56:12 pm »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/11/trump_i_have_more_respect_for_women_than_hillary_clinton_has_she_destroyed_women.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-personal-life/

Someone on Trump's campaign staff is entirely too clever. First the no-fuss acceptance of trans folk, now attacking Clinton as an enabler of Bill's sexual abuse of other women.

Who says that it was the staff that gave him the idea?

Also, Hillary escalates it a little: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-off-the-reservation/index.html

I have a feeling that the general is going to be REALLY nasty, whether it's Trump or Cruz.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17014 on: April 29, 2016, 03:06:01 pm »

"off the reservation" Uh is this an insult based on him being native american? Is he even native? What?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17015 on: April 29, 2016, 03:07:11 pm »

No, it's a euphemism for "You're crazy."
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17016 on: April 29, 2016, 03:35:32 pm »

Implying only crazy natives get off their reservations?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17017 on: April 29, 2016, 03:39:10 pm »

Well, I might've gone a bit off in my definition, but, it's that you're doing something you shouldn't be doing, I guess.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17018 on: April 29, 2016, 03:43:20 pm »

Honestly couldn't tell you. The saying's older than I am. Pretty sure it's older than my grandparents, really.

Google seems to suggest it's less a matter of insanity and more a matter of th'fact that when the saying was coined the natives leaving their reservation was literally illegal, at least insofar as origins go. The actual meaning/use is a bit different, and to an extent only tangentially related to insanity; more about disruption and doing things against a particular group the individual is nominally part of's (the party/polity, in terms of politics) interests. It rarely is used to actually imply that the person being labeled such is of any particular native descent.

E: Mind you, given the origin, it is something of a mistake to use it, but it's also something that could very easily slip in just because it's part of the person's normal dialect. Which it kinda' is for at least some parts of the country.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17019 on: April 29, 2016, 05:12:38 pm »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/11/trump_i_have_more_respect_for_women_than_hillary_clinton_has_she_destroyed_women.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-personal-life/

Someone on Trump's campaign staff is entirely too clever. First the no-fuss acceptance of trans folk, now attacking Clinton as an enabler of Bill's sexual abuse of other women.

Who says that it was the staff that gave him the idea?

Also, Hillary escalates it a little: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-off-the-reservation/index.html

I have a feeling that the general is going to be REALLY nasty, whether it's Trump or Cruz.

My fear that he's actually savvy enough to come up with manipulative ideas like that on his own. I mean, nobody likely to be convinced by that sort of logic would ever vote Trump when the Rod Ham is in the running, but it's frightening that he has enough awareness to try. I would honestly like to see him try running as an independent just because of how much he fucks with the traditional party lines on social and economic policy in this country. God forbid he ever gets into public office, but disruption of the typical partisan alignments might actually shake some people into a slight degree of self-awareness.

He fucking hates immigrants but he doesn't LGBTQ-bash and (claims) to not be sexist (but then turns around and says shit along the lines of "You haven't seen sexy until you've seen my daughter. She's like the Trump Steak of attractiveness."). He wants to shut down U.S. military involvement in the world and give the two-finger salute to all the assholes profiteering off of free trade policies, but he's the ultimate culmination of everything that's wrong with capitalism and boorishness. He's not the non-partisan candidate we need right now, but he's the one we deserve.

I don't even know what to think any more.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17020 on: April 29, 2016, 05:34:54 pm »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/11/trump_i_have_more_respect_for_women_than_hillary_clinton_has_she_destroyed_women.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-personal-life/

Someone on Trump's campaign staff is entirely too clever. First the no-fuss acceptance of trans folk, now attacking Clinton as an enabler of Bill's sexual abuse of other women.

Who says that it was the staff that gave him the idea?

Also, Hillary escalates it a little: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-off-the-reservation/index.html

I have a feeling that the general is going to be REALLY nasty, whether it's Trump or Cruz.

My fear that he's actually savvy enough to come up with manipulative ideas like that on his own. I mean, nobody likely to be convinced by that sort of logic would ever vote Trump when the Rod Ham is in the running, but it's frightening that he has enough awareness to try. I would honestly like to see him try running as an independent just because of how much he fucks with the traditional party lines on social and economic policy in this country. God forbid he ever gets into public office, but disruption of the typical partisan alignments might actually shake some people into a slight degree of self-awareness.

He fucking hates immigrants but he doesn't LGBTQ-bash and (claims) to not be sexist (but then turns around and says shit along the lines of "You haven't seen sexy until you've seen my daughter. She's like the Trump Steak of attractiveness."). He wants to shut down U.S. military involvement in the world and give the two-finger salute to all the assholes profiteering off of free trade policies, but he's the ultimate culmination of everything that's wrong with capitalism and boorishness. He's not the non-partisan candidate we need right now, but he's the one we deserve.

I don't even know what to think any more.

Have you SEEN his daughter? I'm just saying.

That said, she's no Agent Carter.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17021 on: April 29, 2016, 07:45:25 pm »

Hot damn.

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What's wrong with profiting from free trade?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17022 on: April 29, 2016, 07:47:01 pm »

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What's wrong with profiting from free trade?
Yeah, unless it's exploitative that's just capitalism at work

Actually it's still capitalism if it is exploitative, but then we have a reason to complain.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17023 on: April 29, 2016, 07:51:39 pm »

Hot damn.

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What's wrong with profiting from free trade?
Anywhere from nothing to quite a bit, depending on the context.

What I was getting at is that he's a Republican candidate opposed to free trade. It's next to unthinkable in the contemporary U.S. for any serious candidate to advocate for strongly protectionist trade policy, never mind someone on the Right. Remember, Obama was in bed with NAFTA and the bailouts, and he was the socialist apocalypse antiChrist as far as a lot of people were concerned. Oh, there's plenty of rhetoric about protecting 'Murrican jorbs, but they keep right on letting all of our industry be outsourced to places where labor is literally dirt-cheap. (Yes, literally, as in it costs about as much to hire people to make shit as it does to buy dirt). That, the occasional bizarre spurt of social progressiveness, and the opposition to military force projection basically makes Trump the most left-wing Republican presidential candidate we've seen in years.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #17024 on: April 29, 2016, 08:00:40 pm »

What's wrong with profiting from free trade?

Protectionism exists in a very hypothetical sense.  That means that people can be against it's problems without talking about it's benefits.  To a lesser extent the opposite of true but because free trade is the status quo the status quo is more defined.
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