One thing I am glad about is that ethnic nationalism is very much dead, and ironically I think cultural marxists and sovereign nationalists killed it together.
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Sovereign nationalists have been the nail in the coffin for ethnic nationalists in Europe...
This is a very bizarre claim, considering that our ethnic nationalists are nowadays a
de facto subset of sovereign nationalism, which serves as a somewhat reputable umbrella term for less reputable fringe groups.
Look at Hungary, for example: Fidesz is all about sovereignty without an explicit agenda of ethnic supremacy, whereas Jobbik goes full monty with the racism, antisemitism, and general Nazi chic. And yet, the two parties have formed an unshakable coalition under the banner of sovereign nationalism, which allows them to handwave all accusations of bigotry under the pretext of maintaining national unity.
Or take Germany: In theory, PEGIDA is a general-purpose movement for national sovereignty, against Islamization and EU authoritarianism, but in practice PEGIDA rallies are always attended by armband-wearing, WhiteGenocide-chanting nutters from the fringe-right. None of the sovereign nationalists seem to have a problem with the ethnic nationalists, so why insist that there is a distinction in the first place?
And what about Finland? The True Finns make an effort to condemn racism every chance they get, but several of their MPs are openly associated with white supremacist fringe groups like
SS and
FDL, who are openly advocating the "removal" of foreign ethnic groups by any means necessary. Since the same bunch of people tend to attend all "nationalist" gatherings without regard to finer nuances, you'll inevitably find ethnic nationalists wherever there are sovereign nationalists.
It's also rather misguided to think that sovereign nationalists are somehow "above" identity politics, since the whole umbrella movement is ultimately made up of smaller ethnic nationalist movements which have their roots in identitarianism. In Finland, anti-immigrant attitudes are common enough among immigrants, but immigrant participation in the anti-immigrant groups is nil, for perfectly obvious reasons. If you take a quick look at any sovereign nationalist movement's Facebook page, you'll find numerous earnest calls to exterminate all minorities, with detailed descriptions of the violent methods. And better yet, these sadistic outbursts are generally written by active members of the movement,
under their real names. Finnish police won't even bother with such trifling hate speech anymore, because there's simply too much of it. If you're an immigrant and want to ally yourself with these people, you must be nothing short of suicidal.
That said, there
are a few diverse people who are nevertheless willing to participate – for whatever occult reason – in a "sovereign nationalist" movement, at considerable risk to their own safety. There's nothing quite like seeing an openly gay man preach "family values" and "cultural pride" to the skinheads at a "nationalist" rally – jovially rubbing shoulders with people who
literally want to murder him for something as trivial as sexuality.
It could well be that the standard right-wing accusations of "white self-loathing" are largely a projection of the hate that insufficiently white and straight members of the movement feel towards themselves. After all, no-one can perfectly fulfil all the impossible standards that ethnic nationalists set for their in-group, and therefore the noblest thing that any individual member of the movement can do is to sacrifice him/herself for the glory of the Master Race. We've already seen gay homophobe-preachers and Jewish Nazis, and it's probably only a matter of time before we start seeing
black white supremacists attending KKK rallies with nooses around their necks.
My point is that what Vector said about Trump supporters is kinda hard to refute when you consider that the "mainstream" and "fringe" elements of the movement are getting along like a house on fire. Trump may not be a Nazi, and most of his supporters may not be Nazis, but they are nevertheless willing to provide a political safe haven for the actual Nazis, who are allowed to flourish under the nominally respectable "sovereign nationalist" umbrella of the movement.
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