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[My Name is Immaterial]

that was actually worse than the minecraft is illuminati video

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I need that kinda of shit in my life

[Baffler]

that was actually worse than the minecraft is illuminati video

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I need that kinda of shit in my life

Seconded.

[Amperzand]

;^)

[My Name is Immaterial]

[hector13]

I like how it also has a YouTube is illuminati video on YouTube.

Also, pewdiepie is illuminati? Sure.

[Amperzand]

Reading the comments is also necessary.

WHAT!?!? markiplier is not a illunatie!! you might think everything is a illunatie, but other people may not agree. Minecraft is not one of them!! I MIGHT SHOW THIS VIDEO TO MARKPILIER , AND SEE HOW HE REACTS TO THIS NONSENCE!!

[itisnotlogical]

Ammon Bundy is telling the occupiers to stand down. Three more have been arrested, turning themselves in without incident. I really hope this is resolved tomorrow, the whole thing's been a joke and I'm tired of twenty or so hicks with too much free time giving my state this kind of reputation.

[sluissa]

Ammon Bundy is telling the occupiers to stand down. Three more have been arrested, turning themselves in without incident. I really hope this is resolved tomorrow, the whole thing's been a joke and I'm tired of twenty or so hicks with too much free time giving my state this kind of reputation.

While I agree with the common opinion that they're idiots... I feel like I'm almost alone (outside of the occupiers themselves) in having some sympathy for their message. This is an important issue for ranchers, this is something that can affect their ability to continue their work and maintain their way of life. And despite it all, the country was built on a founding principle that if you disagree with the government and they refuse to budge or even listen, you stand up, you use force if necessary.

Now, is cattle grazing rights really the point at which things should break into using force? I don't think so, but I'm also not a rancher, and I have a different perspective.

On the other hand, I do fully believe there are a significant portion of that group out there that would simply find any excuse to grab the guns and occupy a piece of government property.

[redwallzyl]

Ammon Bundy is telling the occupiers to stand down. Three more have been arrested, turning themselves in without incident. I really hope this is resolved tomorrow, the whole thing's been a joke and I'm tired of twenty or so hicks with too much free time giving my state this kind of reputation.

While I agree with the common opinion that they're idiots... I feel like I'm almost alone (outside of the occupiers themselves) in having some sympathy for their message. This is an important issue for ranchers, this is something that can affect their ability to continue their work and maintain their way of life. And despite it all, the country was built on a founding principle that if you disagree with the government and they refuse to budge or even listen, you stand up, you use force if necessary.

Now, is cattle grazing rights really the point at which things should break into using force? I don't think so, but I'm also not a rancher, and I have a different perspective.

On the other hand, I do fully believe there are a significant portion of that group out there that would simply find any excuse to grab the guns and occupy a piece of government property.

the country was also built on the founding principle of stealing Indian land which is kid of what they wanted to do. so ya Merica!

[Helgoland]

My country was founded on the idea of basically killing Frenchmen for sport and doing cross-country hikes through Belgium. That doesn't mean it's still a good idea. Just because the US was founded on the principle that violence against the state can be justified that doesn't mean at all that this is the standard you should measure yourselves by today.

[Culise]

Ammon Bundy is telling the occupiers to stand down. Three more have been arrested, turning themselves in without incident. I really hope this is resolved tomorrow, the whole thing's been a joke and I'm tired of twenty or so hicks with too much free time giving my state this kind of reputation.

While I agree with the common opinion that they're idiots... I feel like I'm almost alone (outside of the occupiers themselves) in having some sympathy for their message. This is an important issue for ranchers, this is something that can affect their ability to continue their work and maintain their way of life. And despite it all, the country was built on a founding principle that if you disagree with the government and they refuse to budge or even listen, you stand up, you use force if necessary.

Now, is cattle grazing rights really the point at which things should break into using force? I don't think so, but I'm also not a rancher, and I have a different perspective.

On the other hand, I do fully believe there are a significant portion of that group out there that would simply find any excuse to grab the guns and occupy a piece of government property.

Eh.  I don't support miners ripping up land they don't own to establish mines or farmers stealing public land for farm plots, so I don't see any reason why ranchers should get a free pass or any more sympathy.  Bundy declared unilaterally that he had the "vested right" to graze on public land and stopped renewing his permit over a decade ago, which is about as silly as me declaring I have the right to live in an apartment forever just because I paid rent back in the 90s. 

[Playergamer]

My country was founded on the idea of basically killing Frenchmen for sport and doing cross-country hikes through Belgium.

I see nothing wrong with that. Gib Elsace-Lothringen.

thecountry was also built on the founding principle of stealing Indian land which is kid of what they wanted to do. so ya Merica!

That isn't actually a principle, that's an action. It happened, and is in no way relevant to the principles this nation, as in the country, not necessarily the land, is built upon.

Plus, how the hell were they trying to steal Indian land?

[MaximumZero]

My country was founded on the idea of basically killing Frenchmen for sport and doing cross-country hikes through Belgium. That doesn't mean it's still a good idea. Just because the US was founded on the principle that violence against the state can be justified that doesn't mean at all that this is the standard you should measure yourselves by today.

It's not even reasonable anymore. Even if you arm an entire community against the tyranny of the government, what are they going to do against a battery of tanks or mechanized infantry? What about bombardment from a cruiser on the shore? A high altitude bomber? Fucking nothing is what they're going to do. People aren't interested in protecting themselves from the government anymore, because they can't. They're just interested in cowing the people around them to insane demands by potentially going postal.

[Culise]

My country was founded on the idea of basically killing Frenchmen for sport and doing cross-country hikes through Belgium. That doesn't mean it's still a good idea. Just because the US was founded on the principle that violence against the state can be justified that doesn't mean at all that this is the standard you should measure yourselves by today.

It's not even reasonable anymore. Even if you arm an entire community against the tyranny of the government, what are they going to do against a battery of tanks or mechanized infantry? What about bombardment from a cruiser on the shore? A high altitude bomber? Fucking nothing is what they're going to do. People aren't interested in protecting themselves from the government anymore, because they can't. They're just interested in cowing the people around them to insane demands by potentially going postal.

Well, I'm not sure, and I say that as someone who is at best ambivalent regarding Second Amendment rights.  There are a myriad of insurrections in the world that seem to be doing rather well against "the tyranny of the government," tanks and bombers or no.  External supplies of more powerful armaments are typically possible, some pretty nasty explosives can be homebrewed just from the sort of things you'll regularly find in rural or urban areas, and in general, it is difficult to underestimate humanity's ingenuity for destruction.  Certainly, an insurrection without external aid is likely to die miserably (it's very rare for such to succeed), but it's not going to die easily. 

I won't even touch your flamebait characterization of everyone who supports gun rights.  I may personally disagree with them in scope and scale, but I've encountered many who are quite reasonable. 

[Baffler]

My country was founded on the idea of basically killing Frenchmen for sport and doing cross-country hikes through Belgium. That doesn't mean it's still a good idea. Just because the US was founded on the principle that violence against the state can be justified that doesn't mean at all that this is the standard you should measure yourselves by today.

It's not even reasonable anymore. Even if you arm an entire community against the tyranny of the government, what are they going to do against a battery of tanks or mechanized infantry? What about bombardment from a cruiser on the shore? A high altitude bomber? Fucking nothing is what they're going to do. People aren't interested in protecting themselves from the government anymore, because they can't. They're just interested in cowing the people around them to insane demands by potentially going postal.

Tell that to the US military, I'm sure they'll be happy to hear that the only reason they haven't ended Islamic terrorism yet is their own lack of resolve.