Topic: Weapon balance mod, version 2 (for DF 0.40.01+) (Read 12531 times)

Deon · « **Reply #75 on:** January 11, 2015, 09:24:26 pm »

Quote from: Putnam on January 11, 2015, 09:00:58 pm

self-targeted attack interactions still don't work...

Huh? I was able to make nightkin and nightstalkers go invisible when they entered combat. Was it broken during some patch or something?

Putnam · « **Reply #76 on:** January 12, 2015, 01:54:54 am »

It never worked. It was always huge deal that it didn't work. Does it work now?

Deon · « **Reply #77 on:** January 12, 2015, 04:54:30 am »

As I mentioned in my old iterations of Fallout and Wasteland mods my nightstalkers "fade into surroundings" when they attack just fine.

I've yet to test it with 0.40.x.

Urist Tilaturist · « **Reply #78 on:** January 12, 2015, 06:30:00 am »

Grimlocke's mod got a bit dodgy when unarmed creatures fought armoured dwarves, with punches pulping hands through steel gauntlets. Its omission of unarmed combat makes it somewhat incomplete.

Grimlocke · « **Reply #79 on:** January 12, 2015, 08:10:10 am »

Quote from: Urist Tilaturist on January 12, 2015, 06:30:00 am

Grimlocke's mod got a bit dodgy when unarmed creatures fought armoured dwarves, with punches pulping hands through steel gauntlets. Its omission of unarmed combat makes it somewhat incomplete.

This is default game behaviour. My gauntlets are about 11% thinner, setting it back to default values does not actually solve the problem. Grand master punchers are basically Dragonball Z characters.

I am trying to fix this, and for things like scracthing and biting it was easy enough by just altering the materials they use, but the punches and kicks use the bone material. Weakening that has all sorts of unforeseen consequences.

The best way to do this would still be just altering the creature attacks one way or another, but that involves changing every single creature entry in the game, as well as any modded ones that might be added. Not looking forward to that.

This really makes me wish the creature attacks used the creature variation system.

EDIT: Heheh, this works:

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	[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:TESTY]
		[CDI:ADV_NAME:derp]
		[CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
		[CDI:TARGET:B:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
		[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:B:15]
		[CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:B:1]
		[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:1000]
		[CDI:FREE_ACTION]

[INTERACTION:TESTY]
	[I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
	[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
		[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
	[I_TARGET:B:CREATURE]
		[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
		[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
	[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
		[IE_TARGET:A]
		[IE_IMMEDIATE]
		[SYNDROME]
			[SYN_NAME:derp]
			[CE_UNCONSCIOUSNESS:SEV:300:PROB:100:START:0:PEAK:10:END:1000]
			[CE_ADD_TAG:NOTHOUGHT:NOEXERT:NOPAIN:NONAUSEA:NO_FEVERS:START:0:END:1000]
			[CE_REMOVE_TAG:NO_SLEEP:EXTRAVISION:START:0:END:1000]

Sergarr · « **Reply #80 on:** January 12, 2015, 10:09:57 am »

What kind of "unforeseen consequences" are we speaking about? To my understanding, lowering the density of bone will not affect defense in any significant way, and offense changes are useful overall.

Grimlocke · « **Reply #81 on:** January 12, 2015, 12:17:14 pm »

Quote from: Sergarr on January 12, 2015, 10:09:57 am

What kind of "unforeseen consequences" are we speaking about? To my understanding, lowering the density of bone will not affect defense in any significant way, and offense changes are useful overall.

Tried reducing the density to 1, it still magics through armor and crushes hands and damages organs.

Adjusting the impact yield works to reduce damage somewhat, but you end up with 'bent bone'. Also adjusting the impact fracture just makes them as brittle as charcoal.

Also, this syndrome:

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	[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
		[IE_TARGET:A]
		[IE_IMMEDIATE]
		[SYNDROME]
			[SYN_NAME:adrenaline rush]
			[CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE:WILLPOWER:200:2000:START:0:END:205]

Does not work. the AI applies it to itself (though sometimes it fails for no apparent reason), I can see the syndrome in the creature description, but they still give into pain after one or two wounds.

Urist Tilaturist · « **Reply #82 on:** January 12, 2015, 01:00:07 pm »

Dwarves punching hard enough to break bone should happen, but only at high skill levels and not through armour unless the dwarf is wearing a gauntlet (apparently impossible to implement now). Punching with the hand in a gauntlet was part of armoured fighting, but punching armour with a bare fist should just hurt the puncher's fist (again, I know this is not now possible).

Dwarves become a bit too strong at legendary skill now, especially since training legendary dwarves is not very hard. I would like to see skill make them deadlier by using more sensible attacks, but I also know that the fighting AI is strictly off limits for us now.

Putnam · « **Reply #83 on:** January 12, 2015, 04:19:17 pm »

Quote from: Grimlocke on January 12, 2015, 12:17:14 pm

Quote from: Sergarr on January 12, 2015, 10:09:57 am
What kind of "unforeseen consequences" are we speaking about? To my understanding, lowering the density of bone will not affect defense in any significant way, and offense changes are useful overall.

Tried reducing the density to 1, it still magics through armor and crushes hands and damages organs.

Adjusting the impact yield works to reduce damage somewhat, but you end up with 'bent bone'. Also adjusting the impact fracture just makes them as brittle as charcoal.

Also, this syndrome:

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[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME] [IE_TARGET:A] [IE_IMMEDIATE] [SYNDROME] [SYN_NAME:adrenaline rush] [CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE:WILLPOWER:200:2000:START:0:END:205]

Does not work. the AI applies it to itself (though sometimes it fails for no apparent reason), I can see the syndrome in the creature description, but they still give into pain after one or two wounds.

Then increase it by more, significantly more. Try 50000 or so. It'll work.

Sergarr · « **Reply #84 on:** January 12, 2015, 04:54:09 pm »

somehow i just lowered it to 200 and it worked

magic

Urist Tilaturist · « **Reply #85 on:** January 12, 2015, 04:55:12 pm »

Increase the willpower value until you have the desired result. If it makes no difference at all, something is wrong.

That could be an overflow error of some sort (the number was too big and looped back to negatives), but I am not an expert on programming.

Grimlocke · « **Reply #86 on:** January 12, 2015, 05:13:54 pm »

Quote from: Putnam on January 12, 2015, 04:19:17 pm

Quote from: Grimlocke on January 12, 2015, 12:17:14 pm
Quote from: Sergarr on January 12, 2015, 10:09:57 am
What kind of "unforeseen consequences" are we speaking about? To my understanding, lowering the density of bone will not affect defense in any significant way, and offense changes are useful overall.

Tried reducing the density to 1, it still magics through armor and crushes hands and damages organs.

Adjusting the impact yield works to reduce damage somewhat, but you end up with 'bent bone'. Also adjusting the impact fracture just makes them as brittle as charcoal.

Also, this syndrome:

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[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME] [IE_TARGET:A] [IE_IMMEDIATE] [SYNDROME] [SYN_NAME:adrenaline rush] [CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE:WILLPOWER:200:2000:START:0:END:205]

Does not work. the AI applies it to itself (though sometimes it fails for no apparent reason), I can see the syndrome in the creature description, but they still give into pain after one or two wounds.

Then increase it by more, significantly more. Try 50000 or so. It'll work.

Huh, 2000:30000 worked. The wiki claimed 5000 to be about as high as this goes, guess that's not how it is then.

Anyhow, after generous use of a toad leather whip on a very unfortunate test subject, I obsidianized my lasher and watched the test subject crawl away and pass out right as the syndrome ran out.

Neat!

There is still a bit of an issue with the AI occasionally failing to actually get the syndrome after performing the interaction. Anyone have an idea what happens there? When I take control of the creature the interaction shows as having been used, but no sign of the syndrome.

Current raws below:

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	[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:ADRENALINE_RUSH]
		[CDI:ADV_NAME:adrenaline rush]
		[CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
		[CDI:TARGET:B:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
		[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:B:15]
		[CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:B:1]
		[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:900]
		[CDI:FREE_ACTION]

[INTERACTION:ADRENALINE_RUSH]
	[I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
	[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
		[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
	[I_TARGET:B:CREATURE]
		[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
		IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
	[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
		[IE_TARGET:A]
		[IE_IMMEDIATE]
		[SYNDROME]
			[SYN_NAME:adrenaline rush]
			[CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE:WILLPOWER:2000:30000:START:0:END:1000]
			[CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:ENDURANCE:150:500:START:0:END:1000]
			[CE_DISPLAY_TILE:TILE:'U':1:0:1:START:0:END:1000]

Putnam · « **Reply #87 on:** January 12, 2015, 05:15:37 pm »

Woah, what's the A creature supposed to be?

Grimlocke · « **Reply #88 on:** January 12, 2015, 05:18:46 pm »

A is the creature using the interaction. Target B is just there to make sure an enemy is nearby, and because the ATTACK usage hint will let a creature target itself.

Putnam · « **Reply #89 on:** January 12, 2015, 05:21:08 pm »

...ahehehe

i never thought of that

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