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[Borge]

At least zombies should be this way, maybe Husks could have some intelligence but at the moment becoming undead turns a peasant into a very skilled fighter. This should not be the case. Strength should be very high but agility should be non-existent.

Myself and my companions got decimated in Adventure mode by 3 undead Geese. They dodged almost every strike i attempted despite being very highly skilled. Not to mention they are nearly impossible to sneak up on unlike living enemies.

[Sergarr]

they should be weaker alright

atm they will murder them happy fun stuff like geese

[StagnantSoul]

I was legendary in almost everything but dodging. After preparing for a tower assault, gathering fifteen silver mace wielders and slaughtering hundreds of dingoes and wolves until they were good, macro throwing until I was a legendary thrower, kicker, biter, striker, misc object user, maceman, and wrestler, thank you mr. amethyst man, wielding a platinum artifact mace and shield, and grabbed tons of silver maces for throwing in a city's three weapon shops, I thought I was ready. We assembled outside the tower, a few giant boars enticing a couple zombies out apparently, as some boars ran by us followed by zombies. So we attacked. Five corpses, three companions each plus me. I struck for the hand, hoping to disable punches. It dodged. Then another punched me in the steel masterwork helmet and leather hooded head. I was knocked out. My companions slaughtered. They killed me in three kicks.

THIS is why I hate the undead.

[Witty]

Yeah, the undead really need a huge nerf.

[Deus Asmoth]

Zombie's toughness and strength boosts should decay along with their flesh. I can buy that a fresh corpse would be stronger and tougher than a person due to no inhibitions, but walking skeletons and animated hair should be as useless as a golden axe.

[malvado]

No idea why Zombies / undead are so strong.
Basically they should have their strength in numbers and the ease of "Re-animation" by an evil sorcerer / priest , modern style zombies are quick and deadly , but even so they don't have the strength to bite through chainmail (their teeth would break) or even punch an well armored human / dwarf to death.

But a horde could manage to get hold of a humanoid and tear of limbs if caught by numbers. Single handedly they shouldnt be much of a threat...

[Robsoie]

The fact zombies are very strong in df2014 is not really disturbing me, but the fact they're dodging and jumping around to avoid your strikes or just parrying/blocking them as if they were living beings trying to survive is really a problem for immersion.

They're animated dead things, they shouldn't give any value for their existence or be intelligent enough by themselves to dodge , parry or block.

Now for the abnormal strength of their strikes, to make it more balanced (as it's not unusual to have a hundred of undead to go through if you approach a tower and a lucky hit from an undead can chip a bone , leading to your character becoming unconscious = game over) maybe it should be linked with the presence or not of their master in range to them.

If the necromancer/whatever is their master is not around of is destroyed, maybe their strength should drop noticably as without guidance or power from their master, they wouldn't be as dangerous.

[endlessblaze]

I was legendary in almost everything but dodging. After preparing for a tower assault, gathering fifteen silver mace wielders and slaughtering hundreds of dingoes and wolves until they were good, macro throwing until I was a legendary thrower, kicker, biter, striker, misc object user, maceman, and wrestler, thank you mr. amethyst man, wielding a platinum artifact mace and shield, and grabbed tons of silver maces for throwing in a city's three weapon shops, I thought I was ready. We assembled outside the tower, a few giant boars enticing a couple zombies out apparently, as some boars ran by us followed by zombies. So we attacked. Five corpses, three companions each plus me. I struck for the hand, hoping to disable punches. It dodged. Then another punched me in the steel masterwork helmet and leather hooded head. I was knocked out. My companions slaughtered. They killed me in three kicks.

THIS is why I hate the undead.

I have never heard of anything that screams NERF ME so loudly....normaly I say that if you think it's op the you need to game better.....this is not one of those times.....

[nuget102]

I don't really mind the undead being a bit over powered... I mean, yea they're OP as all hell... But I don't mind it. They're meant to add a huge challenge I think, and it's one of the great things I love. :3 However, I do see what you guys are saying... Is the undead curse hardcoded? If it isn't then you can change it to make them weaker (or even stronger if you're insane and/or a masochist ) but yea, a difficulty setting for undead would be nice.

[Urist McVoyager]

I'm pretty sure it's hard coded right now. The only thing I can say to change is to go into Advanced Worldgen and take away the Secrets, since those create Necromancers in the first place.

[tonnot98]

I'm pretty sure it's hard coded right now. The only thing I can say to change is to go into Advanced Worldgen and take away the Secrets, since those create Necromancers in the first place.

But then again, it's extremely easy to avoid them in the first place. The only way to encounter zombies is to willingly embark near or adventure towards a tower.

We could have 3 kinds of zombies, though. We could have husks which are still husks, but the current zombies should be called "Damned Dead" or something of the sort and have those reside within carnival spires, while the 34.11 undead which were still pretty damn deadly could be the default for necromancers and mummies. Maybe the normal undead could have different strength bonuses depending on if they still have a majority of their flesh and muscle-mass or not. (Looking at you, tombs.)

[Urist Tilaturist]

Unarmed attacks are generally far too strong at the moment. Reducing the strength of punches and kicks, especially against armour, would also bring the undead within sensible bounds of strength. That, and stopping characters from passing out in the middle of battle from a chipped toe bone.

[Aranna]

Is the undead curse hardcoded? If it isn't then you can change it to make them weaker (or even stronger if you're insane and/or a masochist ) but yea, a difficulty setting for undead would be nice.

I think the code for those is in the raws under the file "interaction examples", I believe that the Necromancer one is "interaction_secret" with this being the zombie's code:

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[INTERACTION:EXAMPLE RAISE]
   [I_TARGET:A:CORPSE]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_ITEM]
      [IT_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
      [IT_REQUIRES:FIT_FOR_ANIMATION]
      [IT_FORBIDDEN:NOT_LIVING]
      [IT_MANUAL_INPUT:corpses]
   [I_EFFECT:ANIMATE]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]
      [IE_ARENA_NAME:Animated corpse]
      [SYNDROME]
         [CE_FLASH_TILE:TILE:165:3:0:0:FREQUENCY:2000:1000:START:0]
         [CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:STRENGTH:300:1000:TOUGHNESS:300:1000:START:0]
         [CE_SPEED_CHANGE:SPEED_PERC:60:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:NO_AGING:NOT_LIVING:OPPOSED_TO_LIFE:EXTRAVISION:NOEXERT:NOPAIN:NOBREATHE:NOSTUN:NONAUSEA:NO_DIZZINESS:NO_FEVERS:NOEMOTION:PARALYZEIMMUNE:NOFEAR:NO_EAT:NO_DRINK:NO_SLEEP:NO_PHYS_ATT_GAIN:NO_PHYS_ATT_RUST:NOTHOUGHT:NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT:NO_CONNECTIONS_FOR_MOVEMENT:START:0]
         [CE_REMOVE_TAG:HAS_BLOOD:TRANCES:LIKES_FIGHTING:MISCHIEVOUS:START:0]

Glancing at the wiki, you should be able to use "CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE" (they have this already, just add others to it) to change the attributes relating to Dodging (I think Agility and Endurance, maybe Toughness too) which if lowered will also have a bit of an effect on other skills. Bright side, as they are thoughtless they don't gain any skills and they don't raise with any either.
Edit:
Also, for slowing them down there is a Syndrome Token "CE_SPEED_CHANGE" that can change their speed, if you'd like to make them slower (or speed them up if you want that). I've not done modding in a long time, but I think it would be "[CE_SPEED_CHANGE:SPEED_PERC:%:START:0]" (Percent Change of ingame speed, so higher is faster and I think 50 would half the speed) or "[CE_SPEED_CHANGE:SPEED_ADD:#:START:0]" (I think it alters the raw's speed value, so lower is faster but not sure if it adds/subtracts or sets to the number). Should note, I'm not 100% sure on if the "CE_SPEED_CHANGE" (specifically SPEED_ADD) is still usable, as the wiki says it alters the "SPEED" token, which was changed out for more specific tokens. Also, I think the "START:0" part can be altered to slow them down after having be raised for a bit (I think the number is turn delays to start effect?)
(Sorry if there are any errors, it's a bit late and I haven't done modding in awhile)

[Areyar]

Interesting they have no blood.

spoilered : modforum

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Is there a way to add a fluid in place of blood (puss or somesuch) like forgotten beasts have?
Possibly syndrome carrying as well (causes nausea)

It would be fair if animated corpses would degrade as unanimated ones would...
I don't recall, they don't spread miasma either where they should as composed of rotting meat, but this may just because usually I've met them outside.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

The fact zombies are very strong in df2014 is not really disturbing me, but the fact they're dodging and jumping around to avoid your strikes or just parrying/blocking them as if they were living beings trying to survive is really a problem for immersion.

They're animated dead things, they shouldn't give any value for their existence or be intelligent enough by themselves to dodge , parry or block.

Now for the abnormal strength of their strikes, to make it more balanced (as it's not unusual to have a hundred of undead to go through if you approach a tower and a lucky hit from an undead can chip a bone , leading to your character becoming unconscious = game over) maybe it should be linked with the presence or not of their master in range to them.

If the necromancer/whatever is their master is not around of is destroyed, maybe their strength should drop noticably as without guidance or power from their master, they wouldn't be as dangerous.

Considering that they've already gone through the effort of reanimating them, I can't really see why a necromancer wouldn't add the comparatively minor ability to think for itself; movement and object recognition is a lot harder than sapience.