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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2015, 04:55:28 pm »

I think I shall go for Urist Tilaturist, since that links back nicely to the start of the thread.

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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2015, 06:24:11 pm »

I have sent the PM. Watch this space.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2015, 04:00:32 pm »

The name is changed, both making a possible dwarven name and showing to everybody what "Mc" actually means when not referring to rappers.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2015, 05:46:13 pm »

Where I live it is common to mockingly call someone by two names, the last one with a Mc: eg - 'Dumb McStupidhead'. I believe it just has to do with a eastern North American dialect of English and nothing to do with dwarves.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2015, 11:28:53 pm »

It is a reasonable association, given their alcoholic and violent tendencies, but I have never imagined my dwarvesas such.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2015, 04:58:37 am »

It is a reasonable association, given their alcoholic and violent tendencies, but I have never imagined my dwarves as such.
I think I'm in the wrong forum.

I meant that Scots are stereotyped as drunk and violent, as are dwarves, but nonetheless I do not see my dwarves as Scottish, or even Irish. They are dwarves, and do not belong to any human culture.

Dumb McStupidhead must have come from a long line of men with unfortunate names, though since there are now hundreds of people called Khaleesi, Stupidhead is not that surprising. The only thing surprising about it is that managed to find somebody to have a son with.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2015, 06:00:07 am »

Huh. I would have suggested Dagger Magmadagger. What's the dwarven word for magma (besides "fun", "cats" or "bathtime") anyway?
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2015, 11:05:40 am »

I know this sounds weird, but by reading the language file...

Dwarves have no word for magma.

A full dwarven language should eventually be added to the game, complete with words for magma and other current notable omissions. Since languages are not Toady's speciality, he could just add a modder's effort.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2015, 12:06:31 pm »

Urist Childdagger. Yep, I agree. That *is* Dwarven, though the possible interpretations are troubling.

Is he named after a very small dagger?
Is he named so because he uses a child as a dagger? Or a dagger as a child?
Did he stab a child?

Just kidding, I think it's nice to see people use Dwarven names. I would've personally suggested Urist Uristtilat (of Xurist, where X is an occupation if possible), since Daggerchild sounds more like "Son of Dagger" than Childdagger, but I have no idea how Dwarven grammar works, so it might be more correct this way.

Do they even have grammar or do they just use a mash of verbs/adjectives/nouns in their base forms (since they have no way to mark subject/object/plurals) and still understand each other?
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2015, 01:26:02 pm »

Urist Tilaturist refers to the original topic of the discussion, the use of "Urist McUrist" and similar names in DF discussion. Since "Mac" means "son" in Gaelic languages, and goes before the father's name (which is in the genitive in Gaelic, but dwarven does not have any cases to my knowledge), the dwarven way of saying such a name would be "Urist Tilaturist". Patronymic names do not exist among dwarves anyway, but the name represents how players say "dwarven" names, apparently due to the habits of the north-eastern USA (though Toady is from Washington state and therefore not part of this group), while still being correct for what we know of the dwarven language.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2015, 07:38:50 pm »

Mc, or mac, means son in some old Gaelic languages, so Angus Mac Dougall was Angus the son of Dougall. This later became a surname, hence McDonald and so on. It was never used with occupations, since nobody to my knowledge had an occupation as his first name. It does not seem very dwarven to use, since it is not gender equal.

That's not quite correct.

Some Mac/Mc names are based on the ancestor's occupation (or appearance) rather than their given name.

Mackenzie means "son of the fair bright one"
Macpherson means "son of the parson")

(I can't find/think of any others at the moment, but I think there are more).

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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2015, 04:31:49 am »

In that case, Urist Mc___ could refer to the occupation of a respected ancestor, so Urist McMiner would be the descendant of a legendary miner.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2015, 07:33:06 am »

Why would anybody have got the idea of "urister", though, if the word does not exist?

I thought of changing my name to "Urist Sharpdagger", but the dwarven language does not seem to have a word for sharp, so "Bluntdagger" it is...

What is the dwarven word for blunt? Copying from the language file gave  "unƒl". This does not seem like a dwarven name. Is "Unil", or a similar word with an accent on the I (I presume dwarven accents are tonal or something like that) the correct translation?
That would be a fitting name for the average dwarf, considering their intelligence.
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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2015, 10:39:14 am »

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Re: A simple question: why Urist "Mc"?
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2015, 10:58:03 am »

The name Urist Unflorinslurist (or Urist Unâlurist if you can see the character properly) is still vacant for anybody who wants it.

How is the â pronounced in dwarven? I have seen it in Romanian before, in words like România (Romania), where it is pronounced as an unusual sound between the English i in "hit" and the English "a" in "again".
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