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[gordy]

I want to use magma from the sea to fuel my smelting and forges. Is there a step by step guide to either:
Hauling magma by bucket
Hauling magma by minecart
 
I don’t want to build pump stacks, magma pistons or long ‘z’ minecart tracks.
 

[justicarab]

Ya, the wiki is really hard to understand I would also like to know if magma can be hauled with buckets

[darklord92]

Ya, the wiki is really hard to understand I would also like to know if magma can be hauled with buckets

Buckets cannot be loaded with magma. Doing so with a custom reaction results in buckets that melt dwarf hands however which is kind of funny. Magma can only be moved up with pumps or "pistons". Unless you just want to move it around on the same Z level or lower, in which case careful digging and channeling will do the job.


EDIT: Also minecarts, which is probably the easiest solution, though do not forget to forbid them after they start rolling around in your automated system. If it ever derails and still has magma in it, you'll end up in the same situation as a bucket of magma, and some poor dwarf is going to be on fire from hauling it.

[gordy]

So do you have to trick the magma into a magma safe minecart or use a pump? Then assign the full minecart to a route and have it dump somewhere?

[Nikow]

Just make a route where your dwarf will push your wagon from courple levels up, to 3 tiles magma channel \_/ and set dump stop somewhere. It's "easiest" way, but doesn't work to well for me (mostly because some cart will stop and dwarves really want touch magma... They hauling it, not just pushing again!)

Pumping method is quite easy, if you are using some automated systems and power, from for example, dwarven reactor.

[gordy]

Can you split a route that makes the dorfs pick up the magma cart and put it on other tracks for dumping? Otherwise how do you make them move the cart to the surface?

[Reelya]

You'd have to set up powered rollers to get the minecarts going up levels. Pumpstack is easier and safer and takes much less space.

[Nikow]

You must use http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Minecart#Automated_propulsion
If dwarf touch cart filled by magma, he will be usualy injured and in trouble.

[gordy]

I don't want to cart up levels or bother with powered pumpstacks. I don't have that much iron. I will play with carts. Will a pushed cart make it down into a magma channel and out the other side?

[Nikow]

it must be accelerated by inpulse ramping or rollers or courple z levels

[Pirate Santa]

Do you have sand?
Glass makes magma safe corkscrews and pipes.

If you build them into a pump stack as shown near the bottom of this page: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Screw_pump
you will only need to link one to a power source.
I recommend a water reactor if you're pumping any considerable distance: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Water_wheel

[Reelya]

Why bother with carts if you're going to put the forges near the magma?

Just use magma channels under the forges. This has the advantage of no moving parts or power needed.

[gordy]

But I still need onepump per Z and that's dozens of levels. Better off making my smelters and forges down the bottom. I just want like 12 magma hauled up...

[Reelya]

You didn't really read my response, or didn't understand it.

If you're putting the forges down near the magma just make a tunnel to direct the magma under the forge area, since you can pretty much place the forges wherever you like then, so there is no need for hauling it to some other location.

This doesn't need carts, pumps or any power to do this, just miners.

[Larix]

If you intend to put your main settlement near the magma sea, you can build your forges right on top of the magma; similar for volcanoes and high-reaching magma tubes. If you want to settle closer to the surface, dragging what little magma you need up there will save you a lot of long-distance hauling of finished goods.

Pump stacks can move a lot of magma but need massive amounts of machinery and power, minecarts take a lot less effort and infrastructure (can be moved by hand), and while they only move fairly small amounts, it doesn't take much work to get enough for your metal industry. Power is entirely optional.

If it ever derails and still has magma in it, you'll end up in the same situation as a bucket of magma, and some poor dwarf is going to be on fire from hauling it.

Nope. They don't haul the raw magma, and guiding _or_ hauling a magma-filled cart doesn't hurt a dwarf in fort mode (rules are different in arena and adventure mode).

If dwarf touch cart filled by magma, he will be usualy injured and in trouble.

No they won't.